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If you could change the world
« on: October 19, 2005, 01:35:49 PM »
in just one way, what would you chose?  Would you make it your mission to feed every hungry child in America?  To find a cure for AIDS?  To reduce emissions by 10%?  

Would you make the arts more accessible to the general public?  Write a novel that would change the way the world thinks about x, y or z?  Create a commune in arizona for former soap stars?  

I mean something that you *could* potentially do, if you had just a little more time or some funding or a chance to go back to school for the education you would need to make it happen.

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2005, 01:47:45 PM »
Set up a school along the lines of The Cooper Union that provided free education to qualified students. The overarching mission of the school would be to help students become "renaissance-people", better citizens and community leaders. Philosophy would be classical liberal/libertarian.

Curricular emphasis on the classics, writing and public speaking, sciences, athletics and the arts.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2005, 12:29:22 PM »
you *can* change the world. All the little efforts we all put in, add up.

Thinking big is good, but it can be overwhelming. I like to focus on the tangible and possible. Voting, letter-writing, contributing. Those are things we should all be doing.

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2005, 12:34:56 PM »
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Set up a school along the lines of The Cooper Union that provided free education to qualified students. The overarching mission of the school would be to help students become "renaissance-people", better citizens and community leaders. Philosophy would be classical liberal/libertarian.

Curricular emphasis on the classics, writing and public speaking, sciences, athletics and the arts.


Wow, that's something you've actually thought about, isn't it.

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2005, 01:02:10 PM »
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Wow, that's something you've actually thought about, isn't it.

I guess so... The idea just sorta popped out of me, but I'm sure the notions behind it were percolating for years in the darkened corners of my brain.

God knows how managed to pull them all together. :lol:

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2005, 01:16:02 PM »
Interesting.  I have a dozen little things I've thought about doing if things come together but nothing quite so well-planned out.  

for most of my adult life I've been doing the planet a favor just by taking care of myself, or at least it felt like it ... now I'm in a position (single, free, decent income) where eventually i might be able to do something - if nothing goes pear shaped for a few months.

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2005, 02:06:37 PM »
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for most of my adult life I've been doing the planet a favor just by taking care of myself, or at least it felt like it ...

That's how it all starts. Kind of like GIGO -- garbage-in, garbage-out, but in a more introspective way.

IOW, if I'm garbage in(side), mentally, physically or what have you, pretty much the world outside is garbage. Similarly, my own physical/mental/spritual pollution also pollutes the world.

The next time I get pissed off at the world  whether at someonw or something on the 7 Train or 7,000 miles away, I have to check in with myself first. Where am I at? What am I bringing to this encounter?

And sometimes, a 7 Train jackass is just that. :D

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2005, 02:10:35 PM »
oh, I don't mean being pissed at the world.

I mean struggling to pay my bills and keep my head above water.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2005, 02:25:17 PM »
:oops:

Oh. Shows you were my mind is half the time. I really need to get out more. :lol:

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2005, 02:44:20 PM »
i think it's a pretty common hazard of communication.

for instance, if i mention "sweet potato casserole" and you've only ever had really bad undercooked sweet potato casserole, you won't even stop to think that i might be talking about a cooked-until-perfectly tender dish with melty marshmallows.  

the whole conversation might get sidetracked to a rant about your mom's really bad cooking.

whereas my initial question about whether to use yams or genuine sweet potatoes would be forgotten.

not that things like this ever happen to me!

of course i am not refering to you, daveed, when I say "you."  It seems to be a general thing.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2005, 02:56:42 PM »
Does anyone really think they can change the world? In some ways only technology has changed the world. The rest has been a lot of hot air...talk about the green house effect.

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2005, 03:08:20 PM »
Well, technology didn't invent itself...

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2005, 03:19:13 PM »
True, but do we control what it changes? I think that we like to think so, but in reality it alters our life style in ways we dont always predict. more because we dont trully understand our nature and how to change it. which might do more to help out the worlds problems than anything else.

Stinger,

PS I believe that we are about to inter into a phase in history where technology does start to invent itself. machines are building machines. and software does build software. while we can argue that building and inventing are two very diffrent things, that line is going to become more grey with time. a lot like life and death. We can pitch an argument about the line between life and death when we keep the subject narrowed to humans, but expand the question to where it can apply to what constitutes life in a scientific term and you have a very diffrent argument.

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2005, 03:53:28 PM »
i guess it depends on how strictly you define "changing the world".  

i think guttenburg changed the world.  as did bach, black death, shakespeare, buddha, jesus, margaret sanger, and that guy who came up with penicillin who i am too lazy to google right now.  


i'm curious, stinger, what exactly do you think it would take to change the world?

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micro or macro?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2005, 03:58:47 PM »
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i guess it depends on how strictly you define "changing the world".

Every decision each of us makes can potentially change the world.  This is on the micro level, of course.  Each decision we make changes us and we therefore change the world.  It doesn't have to be a magnanimous change.  The small, personal changes make a difference.  At least that is how I see it.

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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2005, 06:22:30 PM »
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i'm curious, stinger, what exactly do you think it would take to change the world?


To avoid an endless debate of semantics lets say that what ever you do to change the world it has to impact people in a multitude of countries. Otherwise I would make a differentiation between "changing the world" and "having an affect on the world". So to me "changing the world" would be doing something that permanently changes the direction of global thought, or global actions. For instance, commercial airplanes altered world travel and in many ways opened international travel up to common people. Hitler has altered the way we look at war. Prior to WWII people saw war as something unfortunate but it was a part of life. When Hitler came along we pulled out a specific aspect of war; target killings based on ethnic origin, and said this type of war will no longer be tolerated by the

international community. Why is equally important in this case because of the complex nature. I believe it is because at that time it had become painfully apparent that people no longer were living in the region where their ethnicity originated. Some collectively realized that in actuality this new development could propel us closer to world peace but not if people of different ethnicities could not co-exist peacefully.

You don’t have to be the originator the thing that changes the world if you can be the one who really instigates the change.

Where as "having an affect on the world" would be doing something that may seem small or trivial, but it still can have an impact. For instances an individual could support causes that help the social problems in developing world, or supports healthier and cleaner environments.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2005, 06:43:41 PM »
I'm going to change the world right now by attempting to forgive those that I believe have  injured me and hoping that the people who's feelings I have hurt in my lifetime do the same.

No person is perfect and life is too short to get caught up in the cycle of vindictivness and hate, where everyone thinks (I'm including myself here) they are the righteous ones and own the moral highground. That is how Wars are started and why they never seem to end.

I believe that positive change starts with a grain of love, understanding,
forgiveness and patience (qualities that I think we are all in need of improving upon), and actions (no matter how trivial) that spring from other motives, namely greed, power, lust, ego, ignorance or fear can have nothing but disastrous consequences. Are any one of us immune to these basic human faults?

We're always criticizing the concept of a punitive God who damns people to hell for their sins, but by not forgiving those that have caused us harm isn't this damning them to the hell of our eternal contempt, which can indeed become hell for anyone who wants to be loved and not despised, to feel pleasure, to avoid pain? What is the real difference?

Just as a pebble that is thrown into a pond gives birth to ripples that extend ever outward, every day, every minute of our lives from each little thought we think to ourselves to the grand gestures that we make towards society and the world; all have a cumalitive positive or negative effect as the emanating waves reverberate and bounce off the shore.

General courtesy is what I am lacking, and if living in a world where everyone not only respects but cherishes each other's existence is a world that I wish to see obtained, so what better place to start than right here, right now, with myself?

I'm feeling genuine about this, pouring out my soul in a public forum, not trying to get out of taking any "responsibilty" for my actions by sticking a band-aid on a festering wound but rather trying to give life nourishing rain to a solitary and vulnerable seed of healing.

People of the World, What say you?

I still care about you all,
----Zeno.


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Re: If you could change the world
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2005, 11:35:31 PM »
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I mean something that you *could* potentially do, if you had just a little more time or some funding or a chance to go back to school for the education you would need to make it happen.

Going back to your original question, enigmacat, I would go back to school to study marine biology, specifically horseshoe crabs.  It would entail working on the oxygen depletion/hypoxia problem, too, which plagues the Long Island Sound at times, among other estuaries (see my sig. below), not to mention its effect on the oceans.  I think it could change the world, as the health of the oceans and other bodies of water have a direct impact on the health of the planet, and our survival.

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2005, 09:25:28 AM »
Zeno. I think what you've written is profound. Very well stated, and something I personally idenfity with and desire to work on within myself.

As to changing the world -> I'd like to come up with a way to change our economic system. Perhaps get rid of all money all together (but not necessarily.) Ultimately with the goal of creating a system that rewards people for "hard work" but also distributes wealth and natural resources more fairly. There is absolutely no reason, no excuse for the amount of extreme poverty on this globe, and I believe it's shameful that human beings haven't solved this problem yet.

I feel our current systems are holding humanity back and would like to develop alternative ways that goods/services could be traded without the inherant baggage that comes along with capitalism (or any of the world's other systems for that matter.)

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2005, 09:44:12 AM »
As a related aside, I find zeno's use and intent of "cherish" and Stinger's (unintentional) use of "affect" in place of "effect" interesting and oddly compatible.  The idea of "having an affect on the world" is an intriguing concept for me - could one put such an idea into use?  This is not a criticism or nitpicking of grammar, just an observation.  Thanks to you both for giving me something to think about.

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2005, 03:49:10 PM »
She certainly had an "affect" on the world

RIP Rosa Parks

Journey with ease, brave soul...

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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2005, 04:40:12 PM »
Rest in Peace Rosa. You are off to a place where there is no distinction.


 

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