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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2007, 10:42:14 AM »
I think there are serious problems with the governmnet putting restrictions on private property.  To us in may be a landmark, but to the people who own it, it is their property.  For the governmnet to put restrictions on private property because it makes it look nice isn't fair to the people who legally own it.

Two comments:
1. We in NYC don't live in isolated shacks. We live in COMMUNITIES.  Hence, we have a responsibility to our fellow residents in terms of how we maintain our homes. If the community has designated a building as having historic or aesthetic merit, then the owner has the obligation to follow the rules that have been put in place.

2.  The government regulates buildings in many ways, and nobody complains about these.

BTW: I live in a landmark district and am VERY happy with it!  Amongst other benefits, I can rest assured that my property values won't suffer because some developers have decided to tear down the beautiful homes that surround my house, and replace them with ugly, cheap boxes.

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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2007, 12:50:13 PM »
If you don't believe in government putting restrictions, you can move to well  ...  can someone help this gentleman out - it there any place in this country that has no restrictions?

All municipalities have some form of private property restrictions, however, Houston is the largest incorporated municipality without a zoning code.  There are a number of private property covenants in place which do burden the owner with some restrictions though.

I attached a picture of Downtown Houston.  I'm not saying all of Houston is like this, but here is a classic example of a what a lack of zoning can do.

Of the people who I know live in Houston, traffic is absolutely atrocious.

Government restrictions on private property is absolutely necessary for the proper development of our cities. 

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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2007, 02:29:21 PM »
Well, sonny, it's a little too late for that, after all we DO need affordable housing for working folks.

Putting the blame on the "free market" for not being able to afford housing is misguided. There is no free market in effect with NYC real estate; high demand is made worse by artificial restrictions on the supply of real estate thanks to landmarking, rent stabilization, "public" housing, outrageous property taxes and a myriad of other soft-core socialism the city imposes on property owners.

It amazing me how in NYC people think they're owed a piece of someone else's property.

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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2007, 09:18:54 AM »
My dear boy, private developers are subsidized by us taxpayers. Big time. The could never get their plans off the ground without tax beaks, or diverting public resources and city government to support their schemes. Projects that we are paying for, be it a power grid or sewers, are not being spent in our communities but in places like Long Island City. So we get brown outs and flooding. Six million for a 'Greenway' up Vernon? How about a few dollars for a garbage pickup on my block after a three day weekend?

We have to ask ourselves as to why is the anti-landmark crowd seems to dodge the opportunity at repeating those tired anti-landmark digs in the faces of communities that already are landmarked? Is this an example of misinformation fearful of facing actual facts? And why doesn't this board take up the cause for Old Astoria? We need someone who is well versed in real estate.

To continue to ignore that community's destruction is a black eye for Astoria.


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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2007, 12:05:03 PM »
That walk through tour is excellent.  I am very interested in learning more about the abandoned Queens Engine Company #4 firehouse?  I emailed the address on the site, but I've yet to receive a reply.  Does anyone know anything about it, it's history, or who might be in possession of it?

I know it's a very long shot, but I am actually interested in potentially purchasing the building.  Was a firefighter in Texas before moving to NYC and I am in the process of trying to get on with FDNY, so I have a love for anything FD related.  I think restoring the building to its original state and using it as a residence (or residences) would be awesome.  So, I'd like to find out what I can.

Any help is appreciated.


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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2007, 07:08:06 PM »
My dear boy, private developers are subsidized by us taxpayers. Big time.

Thanks for reinforcing my point, sport, about no free market in NYC real estate.


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Re: Old Astoria Village
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2007, 01:54:28 PM »
Arguing about "affordable" housing is irrelevant as far as landmarking is concerned.  The buildings in question are small enough that they are not covered by any rent regulations, so people renting there now, or in the ugly "Fedders Houses" that the developers will throw up, are paying, and will continue to pay, market rates. As for the Projects, they would not be included in the landmarked district.

Landmarking makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons. Opponents may throw out the old "affordable housing" argument, but it doesn't wash, as the houses in question aren't subject to regulation.

On the other issue, I agree that a hellova lot of "private sector" development ends up getting paid for by we, the taxpayers, one way or the other.


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