Global warming, I need an answer

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Mother effin' Roo's.

Im not taking chances.


"My friend says we're like the dinosaurs
Only we are doing ourselves in
Much faster than they
Ever did
We'll make great pets!" - P4P

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"We are now within striking distance of collecting over 500,000 messages to deliver to Congress and have less than 48 hours to get it done in time for the hearings.

Ask any friend who wants to end the climate crisis to sign our message to Congress now by visiting:

http://algore.com/cards.html

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[essen]

Apparently humans have contributed nothing positive to this planet and every other living thing should be praised...down with humans.

Um... that's not quite what I was saying. I wasn't aware that my opinion about human-caused animal extinction was weird and/or bad, but okay.

[Alexa]

Um... that's not quite what I was saying. I wasn't aware that my opinion about human-caused animal extinction was weird and/or bad, but okay.

Sorry if I misinterpreted. I thought that when I proposed that if lions had killed off the dodo, you said that would have been better as long as humans didn't put the lions there. My response was more to the effect of, why is it okay for lions to kill off a species, but not humans? It doens't make any sense.

[Jtrane]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/scientists_warming

[essen]

Sorry if I misinterpreted. I thought that when I proposed that if lions had killed off the dodo, you said that would have been better as long as humans didn't put the lions there. My response was more to the effect of, why is it okay for lions to kill off a species, but not humans? It doens't make any sense.

It does make sense. Nature involves checks and balances. When people come across an undiscovered island that contains its own, self-contained ecosystem and then proceed to kill everything there willy-nilly, I don't think that's all that great. A lion isn't going to go chasing a bunch of gazelles unless it is hungry, plus gazelles are aware that lions are the enemy so they have a chance to escape. I also don't think it's any better morally if this is a people against people battle where one side is clearly helpless compared to the other, so it's not all about animals.

Also, my view of evolution is that nature didn't take guns into account when deciding what animals can kill what. Humans seem to have been created to be resourceful but physically weak, well we've come up with some great ways to compensate for that. At this point, our only natural enemies are viruses and bacteria, and of course each other. Fair enough, maybe that was nature's or God's intention. So basically people have a huge upper hand and can do whatever the hell they want to whatever the hell animal they want to, which isn't supposed to be how the food chain works. And what happens when you shoot a bunch of wolves (for example) is you get an overpopulation of deer, which leads to an unwanted amount of plants being consumed by the excessive deer population, which might be starving other animals of food or ruining crops, etc. We also have the intelligence to know better; unfortunately, as is with the case with global warming/pollution, we don't always exercise that intelligence.

This is getting way off the topic and I quite possibly sound like a loon to some of you, so that'll be my last on this subject.

[NYCMacUser]

"We are now within striking distance of collecting over 500,000 messages to deliver to Congress and have less than 48 hours to get it done in time for the hearings.

Ask any friend who wants to end the climate crisis to sign our message to Congress now by visiting:

http://algore.com/cards.html

I just received this:

From: "Al Gore" <AlGore@algore.com>
To:
Subject: 519,414 - Amazing
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:28 -0400


Dear Lorrie,

Watch a highlight from yesterday's hearing.
http://blog.algore.com/2007/03/todays_highlights.html

Watch Al Gore's entire opening statement.
http://blog.algore.com/2007/03/als_testimony_before_the_house.html

Thank you!

By 10:00 AM yesterday, as I took my seat in the hearing room, an incredible 519,414 people had signed our message to Congress demanding immediate action to solve the climate crisis.

All of those boxes chock full of your messages, sitting right next to me as I testified, were a fantastic show of support and one that is already having an impact as our Representatives and Senators begin to debate solutions to the climate crisis. In fact, so many people signed our message in the 24 hours before the hearing, we are still working on printing them. But don't worry, Congress now knows that you have spoken, and I will personally make sure every last message is delivered.

I also wanted to make sure that you had the chance to see the hearing for yourself, so I've posted video highlights on AlGore.com:
http://blog.algore.com>http://blog.algore.com

After witnessing your incredible show of activism and enthusiasm, I wanted to give something back to you. As many of you know, Live Earth will take place on July 7. The 24-hour concert marks the beginning of a multi-year campaign to raise awareness about our climate crisis. It will feature more than 100 acts, including the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Snoop Dogg, Foo Fighters and Faith Hill.

Tickets are going to sell out fast, and I wanted to make sure that you have the chance to see the show. That's why we will set aside a special block of tickets and let AlGore.com members purchase the first ones sold. I will let you know more details before these tickets go on sale.

If you would like to learn more about the Live Earth concerts you can visit:
http://liveearth.org>http://liveearth.org

In a few short weeks we have grown into a movement of more than 500,000 strong. To ultimately win, we are going to need to grow bigger - but for now we are off to a great start.

Thank you again for what you made possible today,

 
Al Gore

[Frappe]

Yes, yes, I know.  That ol' horse is dead and there ain't no use in beating it no more, but....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_sc/climate_report

[Alexa]

I don't think the horse is dead....just the OT of the extinct animals. And global warming does have something to do with it, but I appreciate the discussion and the additional information. Information will spur thought, and then thoughful discussion, and individuals, myself, to think twice before a purchase, and to pay attention to what politicians are talking about in regards to "green" because frankly, I try to do my part, but individual decisions on whether to buy organic, or to make your own mulch using worms to grow your own food is all fine and good, but I think will have minimal, if any, effect. Change has to be made at higher levels, that will affect industry and force compliance to greener standards...this is where I am left saying.."what do I do?"

[Frappe]

Here's your answer:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070620/ts_nm/climate_china_dc

It'll take alot more then watching an Al Gore movie to fix this problem. 

[heff]

What movie can I watch to stop global warming?  Is it Animal House b/c I love that movie.  And it has animal in the title, so its eco-friendly.  Please don't tell me I have to do something harder than that to save our planet.

[Frappe]

Yes you do have to do something harder than that.  You have to watch every Michael Bay movie in a row.

[Sweeper]

I love some of the old threads, and this one contained some of the most intelligent discussions on both sides of the issue.
With that being said; I think that the recent disclosure of e-mails, if accurate, from the leading scientists on the climate change answers the original question. (Sorry for the run on sentence).

This is a pretty good list with explanations;
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html

I hope this is a game changer for Copenhagen.

[BKozis]

Intresting Global warming episode
http://climategate.webs.com/jesseventura.htm