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Author Topic: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter  (Read 7863 times)

Offline greeneyedmommy

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 12:40:30 PM »
Pejorative terms such as NIMBY and racist are often used to dismiss the legitimate concerns of local residents. It is most likely that those who seek to delegitimize these concerns do not live close to the shelter. Local residents who live within a 5 block radius of the shelter will tell you that since the shelter has opened their cars have been broken into repeatedly. They will tell you about being confronted by aggressive panhandlers. They will also tell you that they witness public urination and defecation regularly. They will also tell you that they have found used heroin needles and empty heroin packets in their backyards and on the sidewalks in front of their homes. They will tell you that they are afraid that their young children will pick up used needles or accidentally step on them. They will also tell you of being threatened with unprovoked violence while riding a city bus home with their children.


When you speak to local residents (even in private), they will NOT tell you that they are afraid of seeing a black or Hispanic man on their block, or whatever stereotypical fear others want to impose on them. Whether you speak to Greek, Italian, Dominican, Ecuadorian, Filipino, Colombian, Irish, Guyanese, Albanian, Indian, Moroccan, Egyptian, or Chinese residents; they will all recount the same types of incidents and how they are often afraid for theirs and their family's safety. Shelter residents are not being assaulted or verbally threatened by local residents. There have been no angry protests at the shelter. The shelter residents have not been denied any rights in this neighborhood.


The homeless residents are not being targeted by police. There is NOT an increased police presence in the area. The representatives of the 114 frequently deny that these things are happening at all, or that they could have anything to do with the shelter opening. This is very frustrating to local residents who have been victims of crime.


To deny that shelters can be homes to criminals, drug-addicts, and the mentally ill; as well as hard-working families needing temporatry help, is naive. These are the types of issues that residents want to see addressed. Here is a sampling of shelter issues in NYC.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141006/chelsea/peace-officers-sent-into-homeless-shelter-that-neighbors-call-war-zone/slideshow/558210#slideshow-carousel
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Stepdaughter-Beating-Death-Brooklyn-Homeless-Shelter-Brother-New-York-City--279800982.html
http://gothamist.com/2014/10/25/mother_charged_with_murder_of_4-yea.php
http://www.westsiderag.com/2014/06/19/amid-protest-bratton-ends-raids-on-upper-west-side-homeless-shelters


Also, just to set the record straight....the Westway is not a DV (domestic violence) shelter or 'women with children only' shelter. It is a family residence with men, women, and children (from infants to age 17). It is also not a Queens-specific shelter. All NYC shelters are open to anyone who presents at the intake office as homeless regardless of their NYS residency or citizenship status. Also, outstanding warrant checks are not performed prior to shelter placement.

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2014, 01:31:03 PM »
NIMBY isn't a race, so I stopped reading.


If you are referring to me castigating an entire group, it's not like people are born NIMBYs, don't have a choice to be one and I am unfairly discriminating against them. It is one thing to oppose something, but being a NIMBY, by definition, means that person owns some assholery.
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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2014, 06:22:15 PM »
Ok I'll throw another log on this fire...

So far as I know there is no NYC/NYS residency requirement for homeless entering the system. I've read quite a few stories that state some of the homeless in these shelters lived in other states, then showed up in NYC and entered our shelter system.

NYC on a whole is an extremely expensive city to live in. I'm curious how many people in shelters are able to get out of the shelter system, and if some are not better off living in different parts of the country were cost of living is far less. (Hell, I know people with great jobs planning to escape NYC due to cost of living...).



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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2014, 06:46:07 PM »
Both this conversation, and the other thread about homeless people, I have been watching closely. I was curious about how many people looked at the homeless situation as a problem that is an annoyance to our quality of life, and how many view is as a problem that is one we need to solve to help our fellow citizens. Sadly, it's imbalanced in the wrong direction.


If someone's homeless, let's give them a home, and if there are other issues beyond it that can be corrected in those individuals' lives, then let's do that. Let's not sit and let people be outside on the street during winter.
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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2014, 01:10:59 PM »
Regarding the discussion of the term NIMBY. I was saying that it is a derogatory term used to dismiss legitimate concerns. I did not say it was a race of people.


Regarding the homeless coming here from other states or countries, this is certainly an issue. I couldn't find any current statistics on this, but here are a few articles from the past 5 years discussing it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/out-of-town-homeless-families-flooding-new-york-city-shelters-article-1.1125381
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/nyregion/new-york-as-safety-net-for-out-of-town-homeless.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/nyregion/29oneway.html


No one I know (including myself) is saying that these people or others like them should be left to sleep outside in the cold. Thanks to hard-working tax-payers, the city has plenty of money to open emergency homeless shelters wherever they see fit. The main issue here is whether these folks are receiving the proper social services to help with their drug addictions and/or mental disorders. Another issue is whether local law enforcement is taking appropriate action regarding crimes being committed by shelter residents.

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2014, 08:38:21 PM »

What's sad is that once again this is the haves (people who suddenly becoming conservative once they have kids, people worried about 'property values') being pitted against the have nots (homeless), and then who gets to sit back and watch everybody battle it out?  Our elected officials.

Instead, both parties should unite against our cities, states and federal government.  Where is the outrage over lack of jobs?....affordable housing?...healthcare...and healthcare that includes coverage for mental health care?  We have the highest prison population in the entire world.  Surely this has a domino effect on families that are broken up, and then the mom and kids become homeless.

Plenty of money for wars, but we never seem to have enough for basic needs for our own tax-paying citizens.

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2015, 05:42:35 PM »
What's sad is that once again this is the haves (people who suddenly becoming conservative once they have kids, people worried about 'property values') being pitted against the have nots (homeless), and then who gets to sit back and watch everybody battle it out?  Our elected officials.

Instead, both parties should unite against our cities, states and federal government.  Where is the outrage over lack of jobs?....affordable housing?...healthcare...and healthcare that includes coverage for mental health care?  We have the highest prison population in the entire world.  Surely this has a domino effect on families that are broken up, and then the mom and kids become homeless.

Plenty of money for wars, but we never seem to have enough for basic needs for our own tax-paying citizens.


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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2015, 02:11:26 PM »
The majority of these families are minorities -- African-American, or Hispanic -- and are typically targets of police, but in a neighborhood that is predominately white, these families are easy to identify in the community and are unfairly being harassed by police. It seems like they're just looking for statistics to say "look, the shelter has brought with it an uptick in crime" so they can argue that it should be closed.
No offense but since when is East Elmhurst a predominantly white neighborhood? Historically, East Elmhurst has been a lower middle class African American Neighborhood. It biggest demographic shift recently is an influx of Dominicans and Mexicans. So how exactly are the police profiling THESE African Americans and Hispanics amid the other African Americans and Hispanics that were already there?
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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2015, 02:19:01 AM »
No offense but since when is East Elmhurst a predominantly white neighborhood? Historically, East Elmhurst has been a lower middle class African American Neighborhood. It biggest demographic shift recently is an influx of Dominicans and Mexicans. So how exactly are the police profiling THESE African Americans and Hispanics amid the other African Americans and Hispanics that were already there?


Upper Ditmars? That side of the GCP/BQE is very white, very Greek. Has been since I was a kid.

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2015, 07:56:45 AM »
I always thought Upper Ditmars was technically Jackson Heights even though every one says Astoria Heights, since it's in the 11370 zip code. The Post Office says 11370 (and 11369) are 'East Elmhurst'. I prefer 'Upper Ditmars' myself, but whatever, I won't quibble.


Demographically though, it's Astoria, and that particular part of East Elmhurst/Jackson Heights/Trainsmeadow (yeah it's a real name) is like the rest of that part of Astoria and is predominantly white.

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2015, 04:13:58 AM »
Here are a few articles regarding the contract public hearing that took place on Jan. 15th.


http://queenstribune.com/astoria-questions-24m-westway-contract/

http://www.licjournal.com/view/full_story/26391375/article-Residents-say-WIN-mismanaging-Westway-Inn-shelter?instance=home_news_1st_left


Thank you.


I'm not confident that they will do the right thing and close the shelter but I hope it works out.


It's been said before but nobody has a problem with homeless shelters. I'm all for the homeless having a place to stay. But don't put a shelter in the middle of a quiet community and, in doing so, start to ruin the quiet community. There are plenty of other locations for shelters away from families, schools and private homes.

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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2015, 11:12:15 AM »
Maybe we can ship all the homeless people to an island, and let them live there. God forbid they be near schools and families and private homes.




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Re: Westway Motor Inn-Homeless Shelter
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2015, 11:21:38 AM »



Um, these are families that have kids that go to school. Why would you want them to live away from families and schools?
Where exactly do you want them to live? What are you implying? That families that need to stay at a shelter are bad for families?

There are plenty of other locations for shelters away from families, schools and private homes.


 

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