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Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« on: March 30, 2006, 11:30:18 AM »
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/03/29/waronchristians/

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'"My friends," White said in a stentorian voice like burnished oak, "America is no longer good. Unrighteousness, evil, corruption, perversion and death are now standard operating procedure in the United States of America. If we do not put an end to it now, in this moment of divine destiny, then God will and God should judge America."

This was remarkable language to hear at a political forum. Imagine if Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi gave a conference address that was followed by a furious condemnation of her country. She would have to scramble to distance herself from it and would be excoriated in the press regardless. But it's not unusual to encounter this kind of thing at one of Scarborough's events because they manage to bring together congressmen -- this one featured Sen. John Cornyn and Republican Reps. Todd Akin and Louis Gohmert -- with some of the most radical elements of what was once the right-wing fringe. (Sen. Sam Brownback was supposed to speak as well, but he couldn't make it because he was needed for a vote).

At one point, speaker Herb Titus held up a copy of Kevin Phillips' "American Theocracy," offering it as evidence of the putative war on Christians. It was an audacious move, given that Sara Diamond, the preeminent scholar of the Christian right, reported in a 1998 book that Titus was forced to resign his post as dean of the law school at Pat Robertson's Regent University because he refused to renounce Christian Reconstructionism. Christian Reconstructionism is a theocratic sect that advocates the replacement of civil law with biblical law, including the execution of homosexuals, apostates and women who are unchaste before marriage. Christian Reconstructionists used to be politically radioactive, but a new generation of religious right leaders like Scarborough have embraced them, and some members of today's GOP apparently see no problem associating with them. This does not mean that America is on the verge of theocracy, but it signals an important shift. The language of religious authoritarianism has become at least somewhat politically acceptable.'

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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 02:01:28 PM »
NY Times article on Joel Osteen:

A Preacher's Credo: Eliminate the Negative, Accentuate Prosperity
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/30/books/30oste.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

'He is not shy about calling on the Lord. He writes of praying for a winning basket in a basketball game, and then sinking it; and even of circling a parking lot, praying for a space, and then finding it. "Better yet," he writes, "it was the premier spot in that parking lot."'


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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2006, 02:50:38 PM »
NY Times article on Joel Osteen:

A Preacher's Credo: Eliminate the Negative, Accentuate Prosperity
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/30/books/30oste.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

'He is not shy about calling on the Lord. He writes of praying for a winning basket in a basketball game, and then sinking it; and even of circling a parking lot, praying for a space, and then finding it. "Better yet," he writes, "it was the premier spot in that parking lot."'



This completely reminds me of a Simpsons episode.  Homer gets jealous of Flanders because a whole bunch of good stuff keeps happening to him.  Homer finds out that Flanders prays a lot.  So one day, Homer is sitting at home, and a boring TV show comes on.  Homer freaks out and can't find the remote.  So he prays for the remote to appear.  Lo and behold, at his feet, his remote!  So he starts praying for all kinds of silly stuff.  It was a really good episode.  It touched on the whole "don't take god for granted" thing.
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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2006, 02:57:04 PM »
I loved that episode!  Isn't there a wiener-mobile involved?

I still think one of the best lines from that show is, "mmmm...sacrilicious...."

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2006, 03:05:33 PM »
I loved that episode! Isn't there a wiener-mobile involved?

I still think one of the best lines from that show is, "mmmm...sacrilicious...."

Yeah, that would be the one!
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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2006, 03:15:14 PM »
"Christian Reconstructionism is a theocratic sect that advocates the replacement of civil law with biblical law, including the execution of homosexuals, apostates and women who are unchaste before marriage. ... a new generation of religious right leaders like Scarborough have embraced them, and some members of today's GOP apparently see no problem associating with them."

I have to do more reseach on these guys.  I think the site Tencommandments.org (or .com?) used to be run by reconsturctionists.  They advocated the death penalty for gay people, non-christians, witches etc.
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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2006, 03:19:06 PM »
"Christian Reconstructionism is a theocratic sect that advocates the replacement of civil law with biblical law, including the execution of homosexuals, apostates and women who are unchaste before marriage. Christian Reconstructionists used to be politically radioactive, but a new generation of religious right leaders like Scarborough have embraced them, and some members of today's GOP apparently see no problem associating with them. This does not mean that America is on the verge of theocracy, but it signals an important shift. The language of religious authoritarianism has become at least somewhat politically acceptable."

I have to do more reseach on these guys. I think the site Tencommandments.org (or .com?) used to be run by reconsturctionists. They advocated the death penalty for gay people, non-christians, witches etc.

Sounds like a solid group of people. 
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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2006, 03:22:24 PM »
'He is not shy about calling on the Lord. He writes of praying for a winning basket in a basketball game, and then sinking it; and even of circling a parking lot, praying for a space, and then finding it. "Better yet," he writes, "it was the premier spot in that parking lot."'

That's disgusting. I believe a prayer should be an expression of gratitude, never a request.

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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2006, 03:25:08 PM »
Most people believe that prayer = request.  "Oh God please help me with X."

BTW, I agree with the prayer = gratitude concept. 

OMG I AGREE WITH DAVEED ON SOMETHING!!! :-o :lol:

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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2006, 03:26:13 PM »
"Christian Reconstructionism is a theocratic sect that advocates the replacement of civil law with biblical law, including the execution of homosexuals, apostates and women who are unchaste before marriage. ... a new generation of religious right leaders like Scarborough have embraced them, and some members of today's GOP apparently see no problem associating with them."

I have to do more reseach on these guys.  I think the site Tencommandments.org (or .com?) used to be run by reconsturctionists.  They advocated the death penalty for gay people, non-christians, witches etc.

Let me ask you folks, whats the difference between these people and the religious dominated government of Iran?  The only difference is your choice in religion. We are no better than they are.

God bless America.

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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2006, 03:30:47 PM »
Let me ask you folks, whats the difference between these people and the religious dominated government of Iran?  The only difference is your choice in religion. We are no better than they are.

God bless America.

Correction: "They" [The Christian Reconstructionists] are no better than the mullahs in Iran. The difference is the CRs are not in power here, and I hope they never are...

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OMG I AGREE WITH DAVEED ON SOMETHING!!!

Don't worry -- it happens to the best of 'em.  :wink: :lol:

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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2006, 03:31:01 PM »
I agree with Daveed, and it's not the first time.  But that was the concept of that Simpsons episode. 

And finally, my god is better than your god!  Just don't ask me to prove it!  Haha.
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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2006, 03:33:32 PM »
Damn, this is the kind of levity that awful religion/atheism thread needed!

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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2006, 03:37:00 PM »
Correction: "They" [The Christian Reconstructionists] are no better than the mullahs in Iran. The difference is the CRs are not in power here, and I hope they never are...


Well, they might not be in direct power, but they certainly have a firm grip on Washington with the current administration...
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Re: Sinners in the Hand of an Angry GOP
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2006, 03:38:12 PM »
I agree with Daveed, and it's not the first time.  But that was the concept of that Simpsons episode. 

And finally, my god is better than your god!  Just don't ask me to prove it!  Haha.

I think I caught the last part of that episode. I see Homer driving the Weenermobile, and I was like "what the hell?" Next thing I know my TV exploded.


 

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