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Offline Mckenna797

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2010, 04:44:10 PM »
some repercussions of the health care bill, Check out the paragraph about the State run MA  universal health care plan

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9000/10801409/Start_the_search_for_a_doctor_before_the_stampede

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2010, 07:14:21 PM »
the best way to show how angry you are about the health care bill is to show it at the Polls in November, as for me I just switched My voter registration from Democrat to Republican.
Yay! Opa! How ever way you want to put it.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2010, 06:47:31 AM »
some repercussions of the health care bill, Check out the paragraph about the State run MA  universal health care plan

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9000/10801409/Start_the_search_for_a_doctor_before_the_stampede

All that proves is that ALOT of residents of MA had no insurance: BAD THING
So when they implemented their form of universal health care, OF COURSE the amount of new patients would be hard.
And using a state, that was originally low on medical help, as an example of what can happen to the WHOLE country, is ridiculous.

Secondly whenever I've seen a job shortage, like nurses, science and math teachers, etcetc, there has always seemed to be a raise in wage.
When demand goes up, you feed it.
Will the transition go smoothly? Probably not. Will it even out? Probably.
Like the article stated, they're aiming for better health care. Because most lazy American's could care less about their state of being, and still have to be babied.
Our age expectancy only goes down, and diabetes goes up.
No people, the only thing you've proven is that we're the biggest most unhealthy people in the world, gj.
And we're afraid of "socialized" health care.
OH NO, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA MAKE US TO? EAT RIGHT? SEE OUR DOCTOR ALOT? MAKE US PAY TAXES? THE HORROR!
ihonestlycantbelievethosereganaudiorecordingmessagesactuallyworked.

Anyways, like the article states, provisions are already in the making for places like MA, where help is lacking.
So how exactly can you state that as a repercussion of the health care bill, when all it is really is speculation?

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2010, 09:26:47 PM »
Competition has been just amazing for the financial sector ...

It's not competition when the Govt forced  the private  sector to insure loans  to  folks who couldn't afford it.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2010, 09:41:11 PM »
The healthcare bill is so full of pork and special interests, it will waste our hard-earned tax dollars.

Generally, I distrust ANYthing the gov't does, and am hardly a flag-waving Obama fanatic.

But if we can establish a socialized medical system, I say let's go for it! When I got sick in France many years ago, not only did the doctor pay a house call, the visit was completely free. Meds were cheap. I'm not the only person to have experienced this.

My only problem with this bill, is that I can't imagine it'll go smoothly, or that it really has Americans' best interests in mind. Do I know all the details? No. Do I want some serious reform? Hell yes.

The gov't is plenty talented at wasting our hard-earned money. Google "CityTime NYC" to see a perfect example of $700 million + wasted on city employee punch clocks.  :x

And it's silly to think of it as Democrats vs Republicans.


Europe  will have to cut back and has cut back, socialised medicine like  socialism stops innovation and risk. Just look at what entitlement has done to Greece, Italy. They who hang out in cafe's  all day don't innovate. I certainly distrust  left-wing govts, like in Europe.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2010, 09:50:38 PM »
I rather my tax money go for an effort on universal health care in this country, than it going to senseless wars that republicans deemed necessary to run into.

We trust them to protect out lives with guns and bombs, but not with our health. Wonderful.

Like I stated before, what we have now is bulls$%@. Any self respecting doctor, pharmacist and insurance customer service representatives (who daily neglect health insurance), will tell you this.

The proposed bill might lack in much, but it's a step forward.
Not neglecting children insurance because of pre-existing conditions is a step forward.
Morally, I cannot NOT fight for this.

We did not strive forward in this country by constantly saying no, and keeping to our safe little box.
If it ends up being a mistake, then we learn and move forward.
We already went through 2 terms of mistakes, I'm sure we can handle more kiddies, haha.

I trust our armed forces to do their job and so does Obama.

Well, The war is  not a mistake, but, that's another  story, since  health care will be like tolls always going up, govt run and worse forever. It's a step backward to many nations people escaped from to come here for freedom.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2010, 11:19:10 PM »

Europe  will have to cut back and has cut back, socialised medicine like  socialism stops innovation and risk. Just look at what entitlement has done to Greece, Italy. They who hang out in cafe's  all day don't innovate. I certainly distrust  left-wing govts, like in Europe.


The problems in Greece, Italy (and many other EU nations) have nothing to do with "socialism," but they have been absurdly overblown by the sensationalist media, which ignores our own problems in the meantime (REAL problems, not the ones imagined by the Blenn Gecks and Lush Rimbaughs of the world). 

Oh, and until a few months ago, Greece was ruled by a conservative government.  And if the name Berlusconi rings a bell to you...well, he's conservative too...except around 18 year old models perhaps!

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2010, 12:54:36 AM »
I trust our armed forces to do their job and so does Obama.

Well, The war is  not a mistake, but, that's another  story, since  health care will be like tolls always going up, govt run and worse forever. It's a step backward to many nations people escaped from to come here for freedom.

That's exactly it.
They come here for freedom.
But can't even afford doctor visit's, insurance in general, nor expensive medication.

Trust me, I deal with these people of other nations daily.
They hate our prices, find it ridiculous that 1/3 of the things we have are prescription only.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2010, 02:49:36 PM »
The problems in Greece, Italy (and many other EU nations) have nothing to do with "socialism," but they have been absurdly overblown by the sensationalist media, which ignores our own problems in the meantime (REAL problems, not the ones imagined by the Blenn Gecks and Lush Rimbaughs of the world). 

Oh, and until a few months ago, Greece was ruled by a conservative government.  And if the name Berlusconi rings a bell to you...well, he's conservative too...except around 18 year old models perhaps!

 No, the bloated entrenched 'socialised' bureaucracy has been in control for decades in Europe. I have relatives in both Greece and Italy and it was underated in this country by a media that doesn't like the news.

The few times so-called  'conservatives' have taken the govts in those countries could not  erase the entitlement societies that  is what is  being built here so no matter what govt gets into power the bloated  public state is always  in charge. It's what socialism is  all bout and it's coming to state near you and me if it's not stopped.  BTW, clever use of names of folks on radio and TV who happen to be on the right, I'd do the same, but, we don't have five hours to list all the leftists  in media.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2010, 02:55:30 PM »

Europe  will have to cut back and has cut back, socialised medicine like  socialism stops innovation and risk. Just look at what entitlement has done to Greece, Italy. They who hang out in cafe's  all day don't innovate. I certainly distrust  left-wing govts, like in Europe.


Or people who spend their day online blogging and don't innovate.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2010, 02:56:00 PM »
That's exactly it.
They come here for freedom.
But can't even afford doctor visit's, insurance in general, nor expensive medication.

Trust me, I deal with these people of other nations daily.
They hate our prices, find it ridiculous that 1/3 of the things we have are prescription only.

Well, if it was  so great in their countries why are they here? One of the reasons our drug prices are so high is due to  something that is not in the health care bill, tort reform, where someone can sue  and get tens of  millions, most of which goes to greedy attorneys. It's become prescription only cause of these lawsuits.

I am a person of another nation, I was born in Europe and came here and  have been back many times. Alot of the medication that  is enjoyed globally was developed here, it costs money, billions and even then some drugs  are proven harmful years later.

Freedom is trying to do oneself, it's hard, but, if one wants the state to do it, they shouldn't be surprised that the rules will become more intrusive like the lands they left to come here to be free.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2010, 02:57:51 PM »
Or people who spend their day online blogging and don't innovate.

Yeah, I'm always  here..  :roll: Still, it's better than trying to google  in Commie China.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2010, 03:00:35 PM »
Well, if it was  so great in their countries why are they here? One of the reasons our drug prices are so high is due to  something that is not in the health care bill, tort reform, where someone can sue  and get tens of  millions, most of which goes to greedy attorneys. It's become prescription only cause of these lawsuits.

I am a person of another nation, I was born in Europe and came here and  have been back many times. Alot of the medication that  is enjoyed globally was developed here, it costs money, billions and even then some drugs  are proven harmful years later.

Freedom is trying to do oneself, it's hard, but, if one wants the state to do it, they shouldn't be surprised that the rules will become more intrusive like the lands they left to come here to be free.

I'd love to afford some of these innovative drugs!  I have to go and get my allergy medication and am putting it off because of the cost, and I have 'health care'.  Also, I have not really seen too many new immigrants coming in from Germany, Italy, France, Denmark or even Greece these days!








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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2010, 03:11:29 PM »
I'd love to afford some of these innovative drugs!  I have to go and get my allergy medication and am putting it off because of the cost, and I have 'health care'.  Also, I have not really seen too many new immigrants coming in from Germany, Italy, France, Denmark or even Greece these days!









I have some allergy  problems too, but, I try to take care of my problems  through natural, cheaper means, one thing I still keep  from my hippie/lefty/Led Zeppelin days. If there was tort reform and portability in this bill I'd probably  be more for it. It would  go a long way to ease prices.   They were coming here till the 1990's, but, now it's mostly illegals and others who are bought in used by employers and then we pick up the tab for their care. There is no  question reform was needed, just not the Euro-kind.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2010, 08:16:41 PM »
It's not competition when the Govt forced  the private  sector to insure loans  to  folks who couldn't afford it.

Yep....they tied the banks up and threatened to waterboard them unless they made the loans.

Are you that clueless to the fact that banks earned billions in fees?

Really?
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