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Offline megc

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2010, 03:24:25 PM »
On the subject of health care in this country, this flyer was sent to me today.  Perhaps some of you will find it of interest.

Astorians for Peace and Justice and the West Queens Greens present 
A Forum on Health Care Reform
Health Care for All - Are We Almost There?
Thursday, July 29th at 7:30pm

Dr Mary O'Brien is a primary care physician at Columbia University who has been practicing medicine in NYC for the past 30 years and has been a strong advocate for single payer health care through her work with  NY Metro Physicians for a National Health Program.

Ajamu Sankofa, Esq is a co-founder and chair of the Private Health Insurance Must Go! Coalition, a NYC-based grassroots organization demanding a national single-payer healthcare system. He also coordinates the Urban Leadership Program at the Murphy Institute for Worker Education and Labor Studies/CUNY and is a graduate instructor in urban affairs at Queens College. Mr. Sankofa is a former trial lawyer with the ACLU National Prison Project where he wrote the first model HIV Prevention Policy in the nation for incarcerated youth while representing prisoners throughout the United States on their conditions of confinement.

Mark Hannay is Director of the Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign, a citywide coalition of community groups and labor unions founded in 1993 that advocates for fundamental health care reform leading to a universal health care program. Mark began his health activist career in the early 1990s as a member of the Insurance and Health Care Access Committee of ACT UP/New York.  Since 2002, Mark has also co-hosted the weekly “Health Action” program broadcast over WBAI/Pacifica radio.  He is also a member of the Steering Committee of “Health Care for All New York”, a consortium of groups across New York State working for state-based health care reform.  He serves on the Board of Directors of the New York Metro Chapter of Physicians for a National Health Program.

Location: Bohemian Hall, 29-19 24th Avenue between 31st and 29th Streets in Astoria.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2010, 03:28:33 PM »
This,, may also be of interest.  It is a white paper from the NHS about proposed reforms to the British single payer system.

I have just started reading it myself, so I cannot offer you an executive summary, but it should be of interest to you since it apparently chronicles the difficulties faced by an already existing single payer system and what they propose to do to address those difficulties.
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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2010, 03:39:07 PM »

Insurance, by definition, is a risk sharing pool.  One in which you pay more upfront if you are more at risk.  If said insurance company is free to charge higher premiums, fine.  Is it?  If so, why the push to force healthy young people onto the rolls?  No, what you are calling insurance is actually socialism, i.e. from each according to his ability, and to each according to his need.  If you want socialism, that's your prerogative and I won't be accusing you of being a bad person or having base motives.  But, you should call what you want what it is.

I'm not sure where we are differing here.  I never said I supported forcing everyone to pay for and have insurance.

Deserves got nothing to do with it.  And you may want to pick a better example.  A 35 year old who suddenly has a heart attack gets rushed to the hospital and gets his life saved long before anyone makes inquiries into who his insurance carrier is.  I assume you are not arguing that this is not the case.  Perhaps a 35 year old with adult-onset diabetes would better serve you in making whatever point it is you are trying to make.

Maybe it wasn't the best example but are you trying to say that insurance doesn't pay for emergency room visits after the fact?  I didn't mean to imply that one could get treatment and the other couldn't- I am talking about being denied coverage, not being denied medical treatment altogether.  From my understanding, the girl in question is being denied coverage (ie. being forced to pay out of pocket, although maybe I am misinterpreting) because of a pre-existing condition.  Given our mutual understanding of the risk sharing pool, why is the little girl completely denied?  In exactly what ways is treatment for a pre-existing condition different than an unexpected one?

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2010, 05:05:24 PM »

You just described the textbook definition of a 'pre-existing' condition and you are happy now anybody can just stick some evil insurance company with the bill despite not actually purchasing insurance until AFTER they discovered they had that 'pre-existing' condition?  Seriously?  Surely, there will be no unintended consequences (or perhaps intentional ones, if one aims to dispose of insurance companies and replace them with Single Rationer) of such a policy. 

Right.  Can't have companies whose whole reason d'etre is managing risk across a large pool of people actually be able to assess dues based on demonstrated risk factors. 


Well, let me explain - my niece would be in a wheelchair if it was not for the treatments.  She is thirteen years old.  When my brother in law changed jobs, the new insurance company would not cover the treatments.  By the way, what makes an injection worth $500 a shot in the first place?  What is it really worth if you break down all the elements?  It's a bit like the $5.00 bandaids in hospitals that are charged to insurance companies.

So - I have a question for you and you should try to respond with compassion and put yourself in someone else's shoes which I think lots of people have trouble doing.  How would you like the option of paying $2000 a month or living in a wheelchair?  Would you like to shell out this money because your new insurance company claims it is pre-existing?  What do you do for a living?  Are you a millionaire that can afford to shell out that kind of money?  Would you like to find yourself living as a cripple?  The answer is simple - yes or no.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #109 on: July 28, 2010, 12:54:37 PM »
People need to stop worrying about health care. It's all been taken care of:

Let the celebrating begin.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #110 on: July 28, 2010, 01:01:01 PM »
And this is what our current one looks like:

No Health Insurance = you have your house taken away, you have your car taken away, you go broke, you die.


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