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Offline Ntrain

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Angry about the healthcare bill?
« on: March 23, 2010, 05:46:18 PM »
Our local congressman, Anthony Weiner, was one of its biggest supporters.  Call or write to him to let him know how you feel about it:

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 06:39:55 PM »
Or better yet, you can contact Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney and thank her for the wonderful job she did in supporting the health care bill.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 07:37:48 PM »
the best way to show how angry you are about the health care bill is to show it at the Polls in November, as for me I just switched My voter registration from Democrat to Republican.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 11:46:46 PM »
Out of curiosity, I just checked 2008 election results.

The GOP didn't even bother running someone against Weiner. He got 112,000 votes and the Conservative Party candidate got 8,000.

Maloney got 176,000 verses the GOPer who got 43,000.

And yes, I will call Maloney tomorrow and thank her.
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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 12:34:49 AM »
Angry would be putting it mildly, but I believe that the people generally get what is coming to them.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 10:00:36 AM »
YAY healthcare! I'm so glad this passed. Thank God compassion for our fellow man won out over greed and the corruption of capitalism run amuck. If you think private industry is looking out for your best interest and not just their bottom dollar, you're out of your mind. Private industry looking to make money with no regulations is not the healthcare system I want or trust to protect me and my family if they are sick. Thankfully we have someone in office that will see beyond the fear-mongering and mis-information that has been spread and eaten up by those unwilling to accept anything but their own party line.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 10:49:35 AM »
YAY healthcare! I'm so glad this passed. Thank God compassion for our fellow man won out over greed and the corruption of capitalism run amuck. If you think private industry is looking out for your best interest and not just their bottom dollar, you're out of your mind. Private industry looking to make money with no regulations is not the healthcare system I want or trust to protect me and my family if they are sick. Thankfully we have someone in office that will see beyond the fear-mongering and mis-information that has been spread and eaten up by those unwilling to accept anything but their own party line.

If you think socialistic medicine is so great, why did the Premier of Canada come to the US for healthcare?  Our system IS NOT broken, but with this bill it soon will be.  Do you want the government (and not your doctor) dictating what kind of treatments you should and should not get?  This bill will bankrupt the private insurance companies leaving only the government to step in and provide health insurance WITHOUT COMPETITION!  Competition is GOOD!  Any time the government steps in, there is corruption and waste.  The healthcare bill is so full of pork and special interests, it will waste our hard-earned tax dollars.  Taxes are going way up to pay for this mess and it is the liberals we have to thank.  BE SURE TO SHOW UP AT THE VOTING BOOTHS THIS ELECTION AND VOTE OUT THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THE HEALTHCARE BILL.  SEND THEM A MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR THAT YOU CANNOT DEFY WHAT 75% OF AMERICANS WANTED, WHICH WAS FOR THIS BIL TO BE VOTED DOWN

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 11:22:03 AM »
Competition has been just amazing for the financial sector ...

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 11:26:39 AM »
Thankfully we have someone in office that will see beyond the fear-mongering and mis-information that has been spread and eaten up by those unwilling to accept anything but their own party line.

Yeah, man.  It's just awful when people are unwilling to accept anything but their own party line.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2010, 12:18:46 PM »
It is the farthest thing from socialized medicine. There is no public option in the bill. There is no government insurance options. The government will not dictate any procedures you can and cannot receive. That is blatant misinformation. Please read the actual items in the bill and then form an opinion for yourself. This will actually foster competition between private industry as it gives them millions of new customers with no government option to compete with. It just puts regulations in place to protect the consumer such as not being able to be dropped from your insurance for a pre-existing condition, keeping your children on your plan until 26, not 21, etc. Tell me one factual instance in the bill that says the government is controlling procedures you can receive or what care you get besides insisting that you must have access to medical care. There is so much spin and misinformation going around, I think if people were educated about what was actually IN the bill rather than grasping at bullcrap spewed by pundits of both sides, they might think differently. But please realize, this is FAR from socialized medicine and please educate yourself on the facts. Regulating an industry is not the same as taking it over. But I'm sure there's no talking to you as you're fully convinced of yourself and what you think that there will be no civilized discussion only panic and fear.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2010, 12:55:52 PM »
The government will not dictate any procedures you can and cannot receive. That is blatant misinformation.

All rancor and ill feelings aside, I do find it seriously problematic that the government will require people to buy insurance and will fine them if they don't.  That's probably my number one problem with the substance of the bill.  I find that to be an overreach of governmental authority, and I even question whether it's constitutional.

Think of how that could play out in practical terms.  In large cities like New York, you can earn much more than the dollar cutoff for Medicaid or any of the proposed subsidies under this new legislative package and still be unable to afford to buy your own insurance.  So you punish someone in that position by fining them on top of it?  That doesn't seem logical to me at all.

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 01:06:46 PM »
All rancor and ill feelings aside, I do find it seriously problematic that the government will require people to buy insurance and will fine them if they don't.  That's probably my number one problem with the substance of the bill.  I find that to be an overreach of governmental authority, and I even question whether it's constitutional.

Think of how that could play out in practical terms.  In large cities like New York, you can earn much more than the dollar cutoff for Medicaid or any of the proposed subsidies under this new legislative package and still be unable to afford to buy your own insurance.  So you punish someone in that position by fining them on top of it?  That doesn't seem logical to me at all.

If I recall correctly, those that are in that area you are talking about will get tax breaks/subsidies.
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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 01:29:10 PM »
All rancor and ill feelings aside, I do find it seriously problematic that the government will require people to buy insurance and will fine them if they don't.  That's probably my number one problem with the substance of the bill.  I find that to be an overreach of governmental authority, and I even question whether it's constitutional.

Isn't that what we already do with Social Security and Medicaid? From what I've read, one of the biggest challenges of the constitutionality debate is the Constitution's broad definitions for taxation. These imposed fines could just as easily be re-defined as taxes in order to accommodate the usage.
I mean- constitutional interpretation aside, I agree with that portion of the bill on a purely principle level. Ultimately, someone has to absorb the costs of uninsured patients. From what I understand, these are generally the hospitals- which subsequently leads to diminished quality of care and higher costs for the rest of us.

Billz- what are your feelings on the other portions of the bill that forbids lifetime caps for insurance providers, extends coverage for children and prohibits denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions? And also about the cost caps for drug companies?

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2010, 01:41:12 PM »
What are your feelings about car insurance and being forced to buy that? It's insurance that you must buy in order to not shift your costs onto someone else when an accident happens. From my understanding of the bill, people who make too much for medicaid will receive subsidies. The cost of medical bills they will not be paying out of pocket and medication (and God forbid they need catastrophic care coverage, they'd be bankrupted) will roughly even out to the amount that they are paying out of pocket for coverage and the plans will be much more affordable in general. If they choose not to buy a regular plan they will be able to buy a plan that only covers emergencies and catastrophic care that is meant for those under 30 for a nominal amount compared to what plans cost out of pocket now. Most of the American public will see no changes at all to their current insurance unless they have none.

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Re: Angry about the healthcare bill?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 01:47:02 PM »
All rancor and ill feelings aside, I do find it seriously problematic that the government will require people to buy insurance and will fine them if they don't.  That's probably my number one problem with the substance of the bill.  I find that to be an overreach of governmental authority, and I even question whether it's constitutional.
Assume for the moment that you have no car insurance.  You drive around, then get into an accident.  The day of your accident, you are allowed to open up an insurance policy with Geico, who then has to pay your claim.

Doesn't make sense, now does it?  And how would Geico (or any insurance company for that matter) make any money if people were only required to take out car insurance only AFTER they need it?

The remedy?  Require everyone on the road to have car insurance, or else they pay a penalty.

Now...Suppose you are young, in good health and don't feel like getting insurance.  Then a few years later, you injury your knee severly in a pickup basketball game and need to go to the doctor.  But the day you decide to go to the doctor, you get health insurance.  So now your future doctor visitits and subsequent knee surgery have to be paid by the insurance company.

How would any health insurance company make any money if everyone were allowed to do this?  Doesn't make sense now, does it?

The remedy?  Require everyone to have health insurance.  See the correlation to my car example?

I had the same issue as well, but when you break it down like I mentioned, it makes a hellava lot more sense.

And THAT'S the problem that everyone has...the whole thing was not explained properly since the beginning, so most people don't understand how  it's alll suppose to work.  But if you ask the right people explain it (like I did to my friend who's a doctor...and not relying on Fox news to tell me), you can really grasp the whole idea, and it all does make sense.  


 

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