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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2010, 11:45:23 PM »
I am pretty sure that in the 50's the majority of voters would have wanted to continue backing segregation and were against civil rights.  That did not make it right and I am happy that we have made progress in this area.


Yeah, the 1850s.  Opponents had to filibuster civil rights legislation after World War Two because they were in the minority.

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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2010, 11:49:17 PM »
Thanks Lanseaux. However, due regard can be pretty open ended in my mind.

That being said, I have read in several places praise for the decision by Judge Walker to have a full trial because it does lay a solid foundation for the appeals that will follow. In other words, no one can say that he did it on the fly.

If one reads his full decision, you will find that he listed around 88 findings of fact. He then lists the trial evidence that leads him to that conclusion. It's a brilliantly written decision and I encourage all to read it.


Here's a link if you are so inclined.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/Prop-8-Ruling-FINAL
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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2010, 11:51:22 PM »
Yeah, the 1850s.  Opponents had to filibuster civil rights legislation after World War Two because they were in the minority.



I think you are referring to the Senate......Debbie is referring to voters and state legislatures. And the filibuster by Sen Thurman et al. didn't occur until the 60's.
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2010, 11:55:46 PM »
And in other news on Prop 8........Which I sure as hell didn't expect; Gov. Schwarzenegger filed a brief with the court asking for the stay to be lifted and gay marriages to resume.

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As governor, Schwarzenegger is named as a defendant in the case, although he remained neutral in the lawsuit challenging Proposition 8. The governor was against the initiative when it was on the ballot and chose not to defend the constitutional amendment in court. He filed his brief Friday in his role as a named defendant and on behalf of two other administration officials.

"The Administration believes the public interest is best served by permitting the Court's judgment to go into effect, thereby restoring the right of same-sex couples to marry in California," wrote Kenneth C. Mennemeier, an attorney representing Schwarzenegger, in the brief. "Doing so is consistent with California's long history of treating all people and their relationships with equal dignity and respect."

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/08/06/2942696/let-gays-begin-marrying-schwarzenegger.html#ixzz0vtAnjs4O/quote]

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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2010, 02:36:45 PM »
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The "clearly erroneous" standard is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Fed.R.Civ.P. 52(a)(6):

Thanks for the great link.

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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2010, 01:43:22 PM »
I just watched a clip of Ted Olsen on Fox News.

He asked Chris Wallace "Would you like Fox News' right to free press put up to a vote?"

Here's a link to the whole interview.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/08/ted-olson-on-fox-news-sunday.html
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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2010, 08:33:06 PM »
I just watched a clip of Ted Olsen on Fox News.

He asked Chris Wallace "Would you like Fox News' right to free press put up to a vote?"

Here's a link to the whole interview.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/08/ted-olson-on-fox-news-sunday.html

That is beautiful.    :mrgreen:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/08/ftn/main6754443.shtml

On FTN, there was a good debate on the case, and I was surprised on the consideration that the decision could be overturned.
A transcript is on their page.
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2010, 10:07:49 PM »
I just watched a clip of Ted Olsen on Fox News.

He asked Chris Wallace "Would you like Fox News' right to free press put up to a vote?"

Here's a link to the whole interview.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/08/ted-olson-on-fox-news-sunday.html


truly shocking.......have you no standards?

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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2010, 11:07:55 PM »
What's a link to a video interview have to do with standards?  I'm not sure what you're getting at?  I thought the interview went really well and was a good defense of the decision.  I'd agree it's not that shocking, just not sure what it has to do with having standards.  It's just a video interview defending a decision.  Pretty cut and dry.  Even a little boring.
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2010, 11:23:03 PM »
I think Sweeper was playing off of TRX......
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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2010, 06:44:02 AM »
I think Sweeper was playing off of TRX......


Nope, I was just joking about you posting a link to Fox News

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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2010, 08:07:21 AM »
Ah!  My senses of humor is apparently as dry as the video!!!   :lol:

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Re: Prop 8 Trial
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2010, 09:47:31 AM »
Anyone checking out the comedy at Brewhouse?
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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2010, 11:15:14 AM »
Nope, I was just joking about you posting a link to Fox News

LOL
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