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Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« on: November 20, 2009, 10:52:04 AM »
This ABC article has it all:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html

$100 mm of our own money to keep a Senator in office. Plus an overcomplicated bill with no time to read it before a cloture vote.

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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 11:10:11 AM »
It is refreshing to note that our government is also unrepairable on the state level also:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=a0OvxJSr7EbU

But I'm sure locally we are not being played as suckers.

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 12:25:11 PM »

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=869813

Shoot, Fire, the messenger?

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Paterson called the situation an "unprecedented fiscal emergency."

"This is not a cash-flow problem that could be remedied with one-shots or fiscal accounting," he said. "This is a lack-of-cash crisis that threatens the credibility of our state."

Using some of his strongest language to date, Paterson spanked the Legislature for failing to take action. "For the past seven weeks, I've been compelling the Legislature to face this crisis," he said. "So far, certain legislators are either unable to admit that there is a fiscal crisis, or unwilling to do anything about it."


And in other news, $2T to manage, with increasing debt owed to Social Security.
Reminded sadly, of the jokes about a LockBox.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/11/23/business/23ratesg.html




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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 01:45:51 PM »

I know there is a health reform thread, but I will throw this here. It does come over the holidays. But that is when this looks to be going down.


http://sanders.senate.gov/

Sanders is an independent/socialist/democrat Senator from Vermont. He should be on ABC This Week on Sunday likely speaking on his side of these positions.


He does not represent NY, and is actually near opposite of conservative positions.   :|
But I respect his independence and integrity.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2009, 05:24:08 PM »
Bernie Sanders is my hero. Almost nobody else in the Senate is standing up to the insurance companies. Thanks for the link.

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 11:42:53 AM »


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Thune, in a statement released in advance of Obama's speech, called TARP a
"de facto slush fund" and argued that the money remaining in the program should be immediately refunded to taxpayers. Last month, Thune introduced legislation that would force TARP to be shuttered at the end of year. There is no bill in recent memory that has sparked the outrage of the right like TARP -- a vote for it is widely seen as apostasy by fiscal conservatives.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/morning-fix-27.html

Will be interesting to see how TARP is used/abused and wound down by the next elections.
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And New Orleans may have turned a corner.
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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 08:53:12 PM »
Because the Federal reserve is running things  :mrgreen:

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 02:01:37 PM »
The AMA has weighed in on the new health
 care plan being developed by team Obama.
The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not
to make any rash moves.
The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the
Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.
The Obstetricians felt that they were labouring under a misconception.
Ophthalmologists considered the idea short-sighted.
Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!", while the Paediatricians
said, "Oh, grow up!"
The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the
Radiologists could see right through it.
Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing. The
Internists thought it was a bitter  pill to swallow
and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter".
 The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists
were p-eed  off at the whole idea.
The Anaesthesiologists thought the idea was a gas, and the
Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.
 In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up
to the assholes in Government.

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 03:05:24 PM »

 :-D
The AMA has weighed in on the new health
 care plan being developed by team Obama.

 In the end, the Proctologists won out,


 :cry:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/the_true_cost_of_the_health-ca.html#more

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EK: Last question. On the question of whether we can trust Congress to implement modest cuts. If you don't think government can abide by even the modest spending cuts in this bill, then where are we left?

 If none of the policies can be implemented, then we're going bankrupt.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 12:08:16 PM »
When 'A' goes to 'B' and states that for 'X' amount in contributions, they will vote a certain way, not only is our government broken, Democracy is broken.  This has been going on for years and continues.  I no longer have faith in either party.  I think there should be term limits for members of Congress and the Senate.  I think career politicians need to go.  The system is broken and I am not sure it can be fixed.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2010, 05:32:03 PM »
I was telling everyone before the last election that Obama had no clue what he was doing. Hope and Change? Yeah right. That stimulus did nothing but balloon our national debt by about ten trillion dollars. Iran is going to have a nuclear weapon and they think Obama is a punk with no balls. But at least he knows how to give a speach

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2010, 06:30:41 PM »
Yeah right. That stimulus did nothing but balloon our national debt by about ten trillion dollars.

8 TRILLION OF THAT WAS DURING THE BUSH ERA.

Come on, if your gonna argue something.....don't quote Fox News......sheesh
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 12:45:23 PM »
Come on, if your gonna argue something.....don't quote Fox News......sheesh
KempsterNYC

No no not Fox News pal, it was an independent study. And you don't quote MSNBC or CNN or all the other liberal networks.

Keep blaming Bush for everything. :cry: That is getting so old. Why dont you read a review of the stimulus and how much it is going to cost before you start making wiseass comments. 10 TRILLION DOLLARS. And it has nothing to do with Bush. So stop crying about the last president. Obama is spending OUR money, do you not get this?

Now did Bush and the Republicans spend too much money? YES! They were reckless in thier spending and they got thrown out because of it. But what this president is spending is totally irresponsible and dangerous and unprecedented.. They are printing money at an alarming rate. I know Obabma was the liberals "messiah", but he is a screwup beyond belief.


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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 01:30:35 PM »
Never understood party affiliation- big gov't knows no party lines. It's six of one/half dozen....
 
Surprised there hasn't been a mass exodus to Canada by now. But America has this mythological rep as THE place to live, and now it's just cruising on its old reputation. It's blasphemy to even *suggest* that there are countries with a better quality of life. And that's the kind of mindset that we mock about other places- Russia with their propaganda, how the Communists have brainwashed everybody to think they're so great, oh that would NEVER happen here!  :roll:

Supposedly, I have a decent health plan. But after every doctor visit, I keep getting these bills. A co-worker of mine pointed out that while the doctor visit is covered, the lab that does the testing is NOT under the same plan. I've also noticed that ALL of my doctors are pushing the Rx drugs pretty heavily and seem happy to provide prescriptions. About half the prescriptions aren't even covered under my plan, and are really expensive, so I do without, or mail-order from cheaper pharmacies.

Anyway, I'm ranting (what else is new!!) I don't see the point of trying to point fingers at either party; it distracts from the gov't- bank-pharmaceutical-automotive-oil industry that's really running the show.
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 03:02:48 PM »
Never understood party affiliation- big gov't knows no party lines. It's six of one/half dozen....
 
Surprised there hasn't been a mass exodus to Canada by now. But America has this mythological rep as THE place to live, and now it's just cruising on its old reputation. It's blasphemy to even *suggest* that there are countries with a better quality of life. And that's the kind of mindset that we mock about other places- Russia with their propaganda, how the Communists have brainwashed everybody to think they're so great, oh that would NEVER happen here!  :roll:

Supposedly, I have a decent health plan. But after every doctor visit, I keep getting these bills. A co-worker of mine pointed out that while the doctor visit is covered, the lab that does the testing is NOT under the same plan. I've also noticed that ALL of my doctors are pushing the Rx drugs pretty heavily and seem happy to provide prescriptions. About half the prescriptions aren't even covered under my plan, and are really expensive, so I do without, or mail-order from cheaper pharmacies.

Anyway, I'm ranting (what else is new!!) I don't see the point of trying to point fingers at either party; it distracts from the gov't- bank-pharmaceutical-automotive-oil industry that's really running the show.

Pretty much sums it up.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 03:08:32 PM »
Come on, if your gonna argue something.....don't quote Fox News......sheesh
KempsterNYC

No no not Fox News pal, it was an independent study. And you don't quote MSNBC or CNN or all the other liberal networks.

Keep blaming Bush for everything. :cry: That is getting so old. Why dont you read a review of the stimulus and how much it is going to cost before you start making wiseass comments. 10 TRILLION DOLLARS. And it has nothing to do with Bush. So stop crying about the last president. Obama is spending OUR money, do you not get this?



Heritage study says the real cost of the stimulus is 3.27 trillion. Not ten trillion. try google before you post numbers. It's not that hard.

Is it cost worth it?

Economics 101 tells me it is.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2010, 10:13:14 AM »
Will move a bit OT

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031900424.html

Not a factual question, but what I pose to myself is would I pay about 5% more in insurance to cover the uninsured.
I think most appreciate the effort, but I will still question the costs, who is paying, and how it is paid.

If a state like Australia can take care of its own, our states like NY should be able to as well. One point of interest to me is the timing of transition.
The most important economic factors are not in full effect until end of the decade.
What I would like to know from the opposition is what would be done, should have been done, to reduce costs and deficits. It appears likely that we will see billions in increased taxes. I am very skeptical that we will see more efficiency.

[Nice notes on Federalism.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_fedr.html
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There is a great deal of heat on reform and other issues. If you care a good deal about our Congresswomen's representation, you might want to let her office know before they vote later this weekend.


In other news, Congress had a vote on timing of our troops coming home from Afghanistan. It was soundly defeated, alas.
Maloney, much of the NY delegation, and curiously 2 GOP voted in suppot.
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 11:47:49 AM »
Never understood party affiliation- big gov't knows no party lines. It's six of one/half dozen....
 
Surprised there hasn't been a mass exodus to Canada by now. But America has this mythological rep as THE place to live, and now it's just cruising on its old reputation. It's blasphemy to even *suggest* that there are countries with a better quality of life. And that's the kind of mindset that we mock about other places- Russia with their propaganda, how the Communists have brainwashed everybody to think they're so great, oh that would NEVER happen here!  :roll:

This is interesting - I have cousins who live in the UK, France, Australia and Cyprus.  I visit them.  They have a city home and a country home, they have cars, the latest gadgets, stuff, big screen TV's etc.  They get time off to enjoy all of this.  My Mother In Law in Cyprus has a person looking after her, paid for by the state.  And no, the state is not bankrupt.  Also, although we may have the most advanced medical treatments in the world, they are not available to all of us.  Let's face reality and try to make things better instead of living in a bubble where we think we are the best.  If you keep thinking you are the best at everything, there is no room for improvement.  It is important to appreciate what we have as Americans but to strive to make things better and better for all of us.

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 11:04:52 PM »
Never understood party affiliation- big gov't knows no party lines. It's six of one/half dozen....
 
Surprised there hasn't been a mass exodus to Canada by now. But America has this mythological rep as THE place to live, and now it's just cruising on its old reputation. It's blasphemy to even *suggest* that there are countries with a better quality of life. And that's the kind of mindset that we mock about other places- Russia with their propaganda, how the Communists have brainwashed everybody to think they're so great, oh that would NEVER happen here!  :roll:

Supposedly, I have a decent health plan. But after every doctor visit, I keep getting these bills. A co-worker of mine pointed out that while the doctor visit is covered, the lab that does the testing is NOT under the same plan. I've also noticed that ALL of my doctors are pushing the Rx drugs pretty heavily and seem happy to provide prescriptions. About half the prescriptions aren't even covered under my plan, and are really expensive, so I do without, or mail-order from cheaper pharmacies.

Anyway, I'm ranting (what else is new!!) I don't see the point of trying to point fingers at either party; it distracts from the gov't- bank-pharmaceutical-automotive-oil industry that's really running the show.


Actually ,  Canadian leaders are leaving their health care system to come here for health care.

Feb 2, 2010 ... Danny Williams could have stayed in Canada for top cardiac care, ... over his apparent shunning of Canada's health-care system. ... Ms. Dunderdale wouldn't say where in the U.S. Mr. Williams is seeking treatment. ...
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700
I guess he couldn't make it to Havana, where health care is so much better, just ask Fidel?

Seriously, with all our problems, no society can take care of everyone like they are related to each other and people do die, even with the best care. They should have fixed the fraud, waste and stopped illegal immigration, before creating new entitlements. Health care is no more a 'right', than food and clothing. Once you start down that road, you will get a poorer society with no innovation.


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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2010, 09:35:15 AM »

Some friends said the same thing after visiting abroad.
My experience is being thankful for being back home.

http://www.heritage.org/index/About.aspx


I look sometimes at the economic freedom index. Might we see the US fall out of the top 10.
Quite a few interesting notes on countries from -

Australia
New Zealand
Switzerland

Poland

Indonesia

Mauritius

Mexico



I see some listings of life quality cities and and rarely does the US have some.
Hopefully our place will increase in opportunities and quality.

On another topic, I find it interesting when asked why we care so much about party labels.
Do other nationalities care less about that?
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 07:05:41 AM »
@Buble:

You say Bush and his administration spent recklessly(though recklessly is way to nice of a word for what happened under that administration)?
And they were thrown out for it?
He had 2 full terms buddy.

And what financial trouble has Obama got us stuck in recently?
It makes me feel like a lousy citizen when I see our President having to ask China for money.

"But what this president is spending is totally irresponsible and dangerous and unprecedented"
WHAT?! WHAT?! LMAO. Oh dear lord. You're hopeless my friend.

Oh Bush, you sly dog. Still looking like an angel.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 12:51:47 PM »
I would love to think of myself as a 'Libertarian' but then I think about the following:

Let's say I became unemployed and my unemployment and health insurance ran out.  Let's say I had no family members to turn to. 

Can someone who is a Libertarian tell me where I could go for help?  I too do not want the government in my business (especially when it comes to a woman's right to choose, school prayer and if I was gay, I would not want the government telling me that I would not be able to get married legally) but what would you do if you found yourself homeless and destitute someday?  Please do not say that it would never happen to you because you never know....

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 09:16:38 PM »
I would love to think of myself as a 'Libertarian' but then I think about the following:

Let's say I became unemployed and my unemployment and health insurance ran out.  Let's say I had no family members to turn to. 

Can someone who is a Libertarian tell me where I could go for help?  I too do not want the government in my business (especially when it comes to a woman's right to choose, school prayer and if I was gay, I would not want the government telling me that I would not be able to get married legally) but what would you do if you found yourself homeless and destitute someday?  Please do not say that it would never happen to you because you never know....

I wouldn't  allow  myself  to become  homeless, but, if  somehow  my place burned down and everyone  I know  suddenly disappeared, I would  leave. The first town I got to I would ask for work, anything, sweeping floors, in exchange at first for  a roof over  my head.  I would  not stay in one of the most expensive  cities  on earth, NY, London, L.A., Tokyo.. etc..



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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2010, 11:55:20 AM »
I wouldn't  allow  myself  to become  homeless, but, if  somehow  my place burned down and everyone  I know  suddenly disappeared, I would  leave. The first town I got to I would ask for work, anything, sweeping floors, in exchange at first for  a roof over  my head.  I would  not stay in one of the most expensive  cities  on earth, NY, London, L.A., Tokyo.. etc..




I can't help but wonder how many people ALLOW themselves to become homeless.
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2010, 02:15:21 PM »
Amazing how we feel we are infallible!  I too would bag groceries and sweep floors and have done so in my life.  Sometimes however, people receive one blow after another and they need help to get it back together.  It is easy to say 'I'll move away and hitch a ride to Alabama and sweep floors'.  It is not easy to actually do so.

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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2010, 02:33:25 PM »
I can't help but wonder how many people ALLOW themselves to become homeless.

Drunks, Drug addicts, and people  who don't deserve anyone's help.

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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2010, 02:38:54 PM »
Amazing how we feel we are infallible!  I too would bag groceries and sweep floors and have done so in my life.  Sometimes however, people receive one blow after another and they need help to get it back together.  It is easy to say 'I'll move away and hitch a ride to Alabama and sweep floors'.  It is not easy to actually do so.

True and I never said  I was infallible, I mean I keep coming to  this board to try and have a civil argument about current events  to mixed  results. But, even that radical Right-Winger  President Bill Clinton signed  welfare reform after he realised it was doing more damage than good for society. It's OK to be well-meaning, but, it can and is abused and makes the situation worse. I have many folks who left abusive situations and threw out drug and alcohol abuser who went on to scam the system. This is not to say  that there are people  who  deserve  to  be helped, but, when one stops  helping themselves and depends  on thestate, it should be the last resort.

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2010, 03:07:58 PM »
True and I never said  I was infallible, I mean I keep coming to  this board to try and have a civil argument about current events  to mixed  results. But, even that radical Right-Winger  President Bill Clinton signed  welfare reform after he realised it was doing more damage than good for society. It's OK to be well-meaning, but, it can and is abused and makes the situation worse. I have many folks who left abusive situations and threw out drug and alcohol abuser who went on to scam the system. This is not to say  that there are people  who  deserve  to  be helped, but, when one stops  helping themselves and depends  on thestate, it should be the last resort.

I used to think the same way - that most people on welfare are scamming; up until I grew up and really understood what was going on.  Also, I stopped seeing boogey men around every corner.  I would venture to say that I pay more taxes than many on this site - married, no kids, pretty good compensation, salary etc. but I do not moan about the taxes.  I would rather know that my taxes will cover three kids lets say, who need health coverage even though someone out there may be cheating on welfare.  One more point - there are many wealthy capitalist cheaters out there.  Is Madoff any better than someone who is abusing the welfare system?

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2010, 03:17:26 PM »
I used to think the same way - that most people on welfare are scamming; up until I grew up and really understood what was going on.  Also, I stopped seeing boogey men around every corner.  I would venture to say that I pay more taxes than many on this site - married, no kids, pretty good compensation, salary etc. but I do not moan about the taxes.  I would rather know that my taxes will cover three kids lets say, who need health coverage even though someone out there may be cheating on welfare.  One more point - there are many wealthy capitalist cheaters out there.  Is Madoff any better than someone who is abusing the welfare system?


See, I'm the opposite, I was a real, for want of  a better term, lefty in my youth. I realised that teh system was being scammed not just those using it, but, by people  who were also running it to a bloated end, this is what happens. The boogeyman one see's may change, some are told the tea party folks are the boogeyman, see, a brick was thrown threw a window. The fact of matter is that tens of millions of scam artists are just as bad as a Maddoff and worse, cause it's not stopped and is getting bigger and state run.

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« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2010, 07:04:02 PM »
See, I'm the opposite, I was a real, for want of  a better term, lefty in my youth. I realised that teh system was being scammed not just those using it, but, by people  who were also running it to a bloated end, this is what happens. The boogeyman one see's may change, some are told the tea party folks are the boogeyman, see, a brick was thrown threw a window. The fact of matter is that tens of millions of scam artists are just as bad as a Maddoff and worse, cause it's not stopped and is getting bigger and state run.

Yep....that's right. People who want to eat are on the same level as Maddoff. in fact, all the poor people are scam artists. They are intent on stealing your tax dollars and effing you over.

Yep...that's what is going on.
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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2010, 08:25:31 PM »
Yep....that's right. People who want to eat are on the same level as Maddoff. in fact, all the poor people are scam artists. They are intent on stealing your tax dollars and effing you over.

Yep...that's what is going on.
Yep. And all the poor bastards that are one lousy paycheck away from the streets are scum, too. Who the hell would take a minimum wage job and then complain that they can't survive on their salary. Scum, I say. Only scum of the earth. We ought to send them all back to the country . . . oh wait a minute . . . they were born here. Oh well. I guess we have to keep the scum and just let them starve their kiddies and let their wives dies of diseases that might be cured if they had health care. But, who really cares as long as it isn't me. Right?
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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2010, 08:28:46 PM »
Yep. And all the poor bastards that are one lousy paycheck away from the streets are scum, too. Who the hell would take a minimum wage job and then complain that they can't survive on their salary. Scum, I say. Only scum of the earth. We ought to send them all back to the country . . . oh wait a minute . . . they were born here. Oh well. I guess we have to keep the scum and just let them starve their kiddies and let their wives dies of diseases that might be cured if they had health care. But, who really cares as long as it isn't me. Right?

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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2010, 10:55:39 PM »
Yep....that's right. People who want to eat are on the same level as Maddoff. in fact, all the poor people are scam artists. They are intent on stealing your tax dollars and fricking you over.

Yep...that's what is going on.

It's  not what  I said and have you ever read  Gulliver Travels, Kempster? It's not  just the stealing.  It   created a  climate, throughout the nation, from the 'Projects'  in the 60's, although well meaning,  where a check became  Daddy and drugs  became  the  'trade.'

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Re: Why Our Government is Broke
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2010, 02:26:40 PM »

Appropriate timing, CNN will be showing the doc I O U S A this Saturday and Sunday. I was gladly surprised how receptive Eberts earlier review was.
These showings are recommended by the Concord Coaltion, supported by members of various parties, to give attention to the budget and the deficit.

I think Congress has earned pretty poor marks in this. The administration was left to again create a commission to focus on recommendations.
I am encouraged by many of the participants including the picks by Senate Dems and Obama. The House Dem participants are disappointing but may simply be there to avoid very deep cuts in benefits.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/REVIEWS/329/1023


http://www.concordcoalition.org/press-releases/2010/0201/concord-coalition-supports-presidents-deficit-reduction-goals-and-bipartisa
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Re: Why Our Government is Broke !
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2010, 12:59:13 PM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/11/AR2010071101956.html

unfortunately, this is an article that needs to be popular.
Congress, the WH, and commissions will have disagreements on how to balance the budget. But we know there is a need.
Personally, I will be voting for those who have courage to make budget cuts. Sadly, I accept it appears that some tax increases will likely be part of negotiations.

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Bowles said that unlike the current economic crisis, which was largely unforeseen before it hit in fall 2008, the coming fiscal calamity is staring the country in the face. "This one is as clear as a bell," he said. "This debt is like a cancer."

The commission leaders said that, at present, federal revenue is fully consumed by three programs: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. "The rest of the federal government, including fighting two wars, homeland security, education, art, culture, you name it, veterans -- the whole rest of the discretionary budget is being financed by China and other countries," Simpson said.

"We can't grow our way out of this," Bowles said. "We could have decades of double-digit growth and not grow our way out of this enormous debt problem. We can't tax our way out. . . . The reality is we've got to do exactly what you all do every day as governors. We've got to cut spending or increase revenues or do some combination of that."

Bowles pointed to steps taken recently by the new coalition government in Britain, which also faces an acute budgetary problem, as a guide to what the commission might use in its recommendations. That would mean about three-quarters of the deficit reduction would be accomplished through spending cuts, and the remainder with additional revenue.
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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2010, 06:20:34 AM »
Speaking of tax increases, we are looking at a real doozy come January 1st.
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Re: Why Our Government is Broken Beyond Repair
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2010, 08:32:13 AM »
Speaking of tax increases, we are looking at a real doozy come January 1st.
But I was promised that this was only for couples making over $250,000. Everyone else is going to get a tax cut, right?
(Cue progressives arguing that this isn't a tax increase, just rescinding a tax cut)

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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2010, 11:09:38 AM »
Note: one estimate is that NYS may lose  2 House  seats to other states due to challenged population growth

In other news, which could be hilarious:

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This House Believes the Government's Economic Stimulus is a Failure
- Yale Political Union vs. Hudson Union Society Annual Debate - Free Event for Members
Tuesday October 19 at 7:00P. The Society is non-partisan.

With the economy affecting almost every American, and the looming elections, join us for some of the finest debaters in the world as they participate in clash of the titans to decide the success or the defeat of the motion This House Believes the Government's Economic Stimulus is a Failure. 

That House may be biased, but the Yale team has a good deal to work with.
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