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Re: NY Tea Parties
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2009, 04:36:15 PM »

But still the top 5% pay 60% of federal income taxes.   :-o



And they make 95% of the money.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2009, 05:33:32 PM »
Bad news and good news.
At least you can start keeping your earned money.

and fyi if looking for more real info:

http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032005/hhinc/new06_000.htm


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Tax-Freedom-Day-arrives-cnnm-14902132.html

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Americans will pay more in taxes in 2009, according to the report, than they will spend on food, clothing and housing combined

State-by-state: Alaska has the lowest average tax burden in 2009 because of lower incomes and an extremely low state-and-local tax burden, the report said. Alaska's Tax Freedom Day was March 23.

Louisiana, Mississippi, South Dakota and West Virginia follow.

Connecticut residents "will celebrate last, as usual," the report said, working until April 30 before earning enough to pay their full tax obligations. That's because Connecticut's residents pay "extraordinarily high" federal income taxes, according to the report.

New Jersey, New York, California and Maryland round out the top five latest states.

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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 05:37:45 PM »
These tea parties ring phony to me. Republicans have been trying to bury Obama since before he even did anything. Grassroots movement, my ass.

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Re: NY Tea Parties
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2009, 05:44:03 PM »
Did the Obama campaign ring phony to you?
That was 'grassroots' too.

Has anyone seen the 'message' fundraising requests from the White House arms?



If friends are getting funded for this, I would like to know where.
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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2009, 05:46:34 PM »
The Obama campaign largely did ring phony to me, yes, though I do believe he had a ton of legitimate support across the country. I know all about the astroturfing and so on.

These people are acting like Obama didn't win a majority vote. Many are kvetching about policies that don't even exist yet. This is why, even though I've gotten fed up with Democrats and congress in general, the Republicans are still driving me crazy. Too many are a bunch of f'ing robots.

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Re: NY Tea Parties
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2009, 05:50:36 PM »
In what way do you mean denial of Obama's majority support?
He actually won bigger than anyone that I can remember since Reagan.


But the debate now seems to be how Congress will lead, and whether 2010 will bring a veto proof majority.
To be seen how the Blue Dog Dems go.


As far as Robo-party supporters, I dont know where to find help for that.
Maybe there is hope for a 'John Connor' out there.
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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2009, 08:20:43 AM »
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These people are acting like Obama didn't win a majority vote. Many are kvetching about policies that don't even exist yet. This is why, even though I've gotten fed up with Democrats and congress in general, the Republicans are still driving me crazy. Too many are a bunch of f'ing robots.

I am not exactly sure who "These people" are. I guess I may be one of them. I know that Obama won a majority vote. As for kvetching about policies that don't even exist yet, when should one start kvetching? After it's signed into law is probably a tad late.

I'll burn a personal day and go for a walk with like minded citizens. It's not really about Obama, or even taxes for me. It is simply that the growth of government needs to be turned around. They need to remove themselves, like the parasites they are, from the everyday lives of the citizenry. I am not a very "protesting" kinda guy. I generally feel that things will find their equilibrium if they are allowed. But things are different now. How can anyone look at the mountain of debt being dumped on this country and feel that any good will come of it?
If there is any one story that has come out recently, that perfectly illustrates this bold new world, it is this one:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html
The government actually refusing TARP money being returned to the Treasury. If that ain't about control, I don't know what is.

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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2009, 04:32:26 PM »
I am not exactly sure who "These people" are. I guess I may be one of them. I know that Obama won a majority vote.

No, you are not one of the "these people" I was referring to, nor is anyone else on this board. As for the policy thing, that's a whole separate issue that I won't get into at the moment.

For anyone who doubts what I'm saying with the tea parties, try watching Fox News' coverage of these events in the next 24 hours and see if you're still convinced that the GOP hasn't had a hand in organizing and publicizing them. I just find that impossible to believe. That's not to say all the participants or organizers are GOP robots; this is all just a little too well-orchestrated for me. I also have a hard time believing any American who is truly concerned about wasted taxpayer dollars thinks sending a million teabags to the White House is a useful way to spend money. That again smacks of political campaign gimmickry.

As for what I said about "these people are acting like Obama didn't win a majority vote," this is what I mean: http://taxdayteaparty.com/
"Silent majority no more!" http://taxdayteaparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/headnew.jpg
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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2009, 05:10:46 PM »
Some of the things I'm seeing are kind of interesting. Aside from whatever the Republican involvement with these things is on the organizational side, apparently, at some of the tea parties that have already taken place, some of the regular-folk participants have been put off to find that Republican politicians and talking heads are trying to use the tea parties for their party's benefit and not merely as a protest against wasteful government spending and congressmen who don't read bills before signing them. Although I find this whole thing fishy, I'm interested to see how things develop tomorrow.

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Re: NY Tea Parties
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2009, 12:05:14 PM »

Who likes Earl Grey?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Who-pays-taxes-and-how-much-A-cnnm-14932612.html

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The highest earners pay the lion's share of the dollars Uncle Sam collects.

The top fifth of households made 56% of pre-tax income in 2006 but paid 86% of all individual income tax revenue collected, according to the most recent data available from the Congressional Budget Office.

Narrowing in further: The top 1% of households, which made 19% of pre-tax income, paid 39% of all individual income taxes.

The trend is similar if you count income taxes, social insurance taxes, excise taxes and corporate income taxes (such as capital gains) combined. The top fifth of households paid 69% of all federal taxes. The top 1% paid 28%.

But researchers also note that the highest income taxpayers derive the most benefits from the tax cuts put in place since 2001.

Next year, as a result of all those tax cuts, filers making more than $1 million will enjoy a 7.7% average boost in their after-tax income relative to what they would have if the tax cuts weren't in place, according to the Tax Policy Center. Middle-income households, by comparison, will see an average boost of 2.6%.

Many pay no income tax or very little

A Tax Foundation survey found 56% of Americans think the amount of federal income tax they pay is too high. Those most likely to feel that way, according to the survey, include those making between $35,000 and $50,000.


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Likewise my participation is not an act of opposition to the Obama administration. I go out to the tea party to represent the things that I’m for. I’m for capitalism and the free market, not merely against government paternalism that dictates price controls while determining winners and losers.


While not a universal sentiment among tea party attendees, I’m for the fair tax. With the economic mess we’re in, we need to grow this economy and free the engine of free enterprise in a way that no other tax reform can do.
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2009, 04:01:42 PM »

For a change, some relative good news.

http://www.cagw.org/

They have issued their 'pig' federal pork spending update.
Wow. Alaska is very piggy.
And NY is still one of the least.


2009 Rank
 State
 2009 Pork
 Population
 Pork/Capita

 
1
 Alaska
 $221,222,875
 686,293
 $322.34
 


46
 Oregon
 $68,114,425     
 3,790,060   
 $17.97 

 
47
 Colorado
 $85,312,500
 4,939,456
 $17.27
 
 
48
 New York
 $326,151,422
 19,490,297
 $16.73

 
49
 California
 $560,918,597
 36,756,666
 $15.26

 
50
 Georgia
 $146,688,776
 9,685,744
 $15.14

 
51
 Arizona
 $75,249,275
 6,500,180
 $11.58

 


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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2009, 03:54:38 PM »
Well, if you can believe it, I've just lost a 20-year friendship over this.  For one thing, she's damned sure the country and Obama is swept up in some secretive Socialist agenda.  The Tea party crap was the last straw;  I wasn't going to tolerate Republican talking points that make Barack out to be the second coming of Ming the Merciless.
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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2009, 04:33:56 PM »
The only socialism I've seen from the Obama administration (and the Bush administration before it) is of the corporate welfare variety.

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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2009, 04:38:45 PM »
Well, if you can believe it, I've just lost a 20-year friendship over this.  For one thing, she's damned sure the country and Obama is swept up in some secretive Socialist agenda.  The Tea party crap was the last straw;  I wasn't going to tolerate Republican talking points that make Barack out to be the second coming of Ming the Merciless.

It is sad when politics come between friends.
How is the Tea Party issue the last straw? I am not baiting, I'm just curious because my liberal (and even Socialist) friends seemed to get much more animated about this issue also. I stopped over there last night (only for an hour or so) and it was pretty subdued. I definitely felt it was more libertarian than conservative by the way.

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Re: Conservative Tea Parties
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2009, 05:41:56 PM »
I definitely felt it was more libertarian than conservative by the way.

That's probably a result of attending an NYC tea party. I'm sure there was a different balance state-by-state.
After further thought and reading, my latest conclusion is that this started as a grassroots movement but then was quickly swept up by the Republican party, who then sent tons of money to the tea party cause via various non-profit groups and aided strongly in getting the message out. I don't believe Fox News had anything to do with actually arranging any of these tea parties, as some people have asserted - though graphics used on the channel describing the teaparties as "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties" were a bit dubious - but they were promoting them for weeks to an absurd degree. Now it's turned into a Battle of the Television News Media event, with Fox, CNN, and MSNBC all slinging mud at each other, which is kind of sad.

Both major parties are obviously prone to astroturfing and simply doing asshole politician things, so Republican involvement in the tea party protests as a whole doesn't bother me. My biggest actual problem with the events was the incoherent relating of the protests to the Boston Tea Party. That made no sense and made the people involved look dumb and like they weren't protesting anything specific - just vague ideas of high taxes, government spending, and bailouts. If they wanted to destroy something relevant, instead of dumping tea in rivers across the country and sending tea to the White House (and of course they did not accept the package) they should've found something that is actually being taxed and gone after that. Like going around NY and destroying shipments of non-diet sodas.


 

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