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Offline Gleason

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Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« on: October 19, 2008, 02:02:15 PM »
A city council representative publicly stated this week, so I have heard, that they should vote on this issue, rather than getting the public (meaning their constituents) get involved in the term limits issue.

(This is important and frankly a bit surprised its not been mentioned here what with all the careful coverage in threads on fluff issues like real estate, restaurants, and gym memberships)

So lets throw this out:

1. Should we have a public referendum (for the third time)?

2. Should we do nothing and consider the two public votes taken the final say?

3. Should we let city council choose for us?

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 03:11:31 PM »
The City Council should definitely not be voting on this themselves.  After all, they would potentially stand to gain from extending term limits as well.  It reeks of a conflict of interest.  Plus, if they do vote to overturn term limits, they've voted to overturn the will of the voting public, which has kept those term limits in place in two prior referendums.  The proper thing to do would be to hold another referendum.  Of course, with councilpeople like Christine Quinn, who supports Bloomberg's bid for a third term (presumably so she can get another term as Council speaker as well), I don't exactly have much faith that the Council will do the right thing.

However...an even better thing would be for Bloomberg to get off of his high horse and let someone else run.  I honestly can't understand why "Bloomie" is so popular.  The guy is an egomaniac and an opportunist, plain and simple, and his argument for wanting to stay in office for a third term (the financial crisis) just doesn't hold water.  It's ridiculously arrogant of him to try to use his power to extend his mayoral reign, and to claim that he is best suited to manage the city through the economic crisis, when we don't even know in what state the economy will be in 14 months from now, when his second term finally ends. 

Not to mention that Bloomberg was *for* term limits before he was *against* term limits, and that just this past week, he was in California helping to campaign on behalf of a measure that would prevent gerrymandering (changing district maps to benefit politicians already in office).  He stated that he does not feel politicians should abuse their power to stay in office.  Yet that is *exactly* what he is trying to do now by changing the law.

The guy is a hypocrite and power-hungry and should learn to bow out gracefully.  He had his eight years, let's have someone new come in now.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 03:13:34 PM »
The people of New York have voted twice in support of term limits, so I believe that the politicians should adhere to this.  I am not necessarily opposed to extending term limits to a third term, but I do not think it should be pushed through at the last minute as the city council and mayor are attempting to do.  They should have another referendum vote, but after this election. 

In no way should the city council be allowed to choose to extend term limits without input from the people of New York.   Close to 70% of the city council members are subject to term limits come November, so how do we think they are going to vote?  Conflict of interest anyone?  If term limits were a concern for the mayor and city council, they could have brought it up at some time in the past 8 years.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 06:39:50 PM »
in my opinion its the people of the great city of new york who voted twice for term limits. than it should be the voters too  who make that decision to extent term limits to three terms or keep it at two terms not the city council.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 08:58:43 AM »
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10192008/news/regionalnews/3rd_term_is_lush_hour_134241.htm

The Post now has a piece claiming that a 'slush fund' was set up. A list of city council members include Peter Vallone.

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Fellow committee members Domenic Recchia, Helen Sears, Erik Dilan and Peter Vallone Jr. each received between $50,000 and $625,000 from the mayor's fund..


"I think it's obvious that Bloomberg was trying to curry favor here. What else are discretionary funds for?" said one councilman against extending term limits. "Term limits is the most important issue out there, period . . . I think this is one way he laid the groundwork."
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Peter should come clean with the community and explain this.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 02:09:01 PM »
My partner and I just called Vallone's office to add our objection to what Mayor Bloomberg is trying to do.

For me, it isn't even a matter of what one feels about Term Limits. It's this end run around the current law to support the ambitions of ONE MAN.

And I can't help but feel anger over the thought of two billionaires hatching a plan in the back offices of City Hall. If that doesn't make every supporter of democracy anger.....nothing will.

Call Vallone's office and voice your opinion.

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 02:15:07 PM »
Rudy.G did a good job as Mayor and at one point he wanted to run agian and extend his term, Bloomberg said No.....and that was that....and Rudy did a good job imo...


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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 04:44:48 PM »
Rudy.G did a good job as Mayor and at one point he wanted to run agian and extend his term, Bloomberg said No.....and that was that....and Rudy did a good job imo...




Guiliani was a disaster as mayor--he did fine as the mayor of 911, but he sucked as the mayor of NY. How did Bloomberg, who was running for office, say NO to Guiliani? That makes no sense.

I am against reversing the term limits for Bloomberg, and it should go to vote, not be a decision made by the Council.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 12:33:40 AM »
Guiliani was a disaster as mayor--he did fine as the mayor of 911, but he sucked as the mayor of NY. How did Bloomberg, who was running for office, say NO to Guiliani? That makes no sense.

He was heavy handed, and surely didn't win any congeniality awards as Mayor.  But Rudy was good on many issues.  Crime rates, anyone?  Mayor Giuliani understood the link between people feeling safe and comfortable here and the willingness to live and do business here.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 05:19:42 PM »
Well, lack of response on this thread, and talking about anything but the issue has made the community's say on this irrelevant.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2008/10/21/vallone-sides-with-bloomberg/

Despite two votes by the public, Vallone has sided with Bumburg.



You can all go back to talking about gym memberships and restaurants dear Astoria.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 05:44:03 PM »
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“For the record, this is not a decision I wanted to make, but one that was thrust upon me. My decision is not politically expedient for me. If this vote passes, I will have closed the door to a borough-wide office that I believe was a very good possibility. I did not make this decision because of how it affected me personally or any other individual, but I based it on what I felt was best for all people in the city.”

This made me laugh. The Borough-wide office will be there when the term limit is up again next round.  Vallone makes what $112k for being a council member and $18k as chair of the Public Safety Committee and was about to be termed out... do you really think he would turn down another chance to make $130k as councilmember?

Look for those who are going to be termed out (especially those who are chairs of comittees) to vote in favor of the a "one time" term limit extension.  Those who want those jobs and would not get the benefit of a 3rd term will likely vote no.  The rest will be bought for and paid by the Speaker and the Mayor.
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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 11:08:22 PM »
Perhaps we all can do our best to free him up for the borough-wide office. Who is interested in running for council?

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 08:11:22 PM »
Well, lack of response on this thread, and talking about anything but the issue has made the community's say on this irrelevant.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2008/10/21/vallone-sides-with-bloomberg/

Despite two votes by the public, Vallone has sided with Bumburg.

You can all go back to talking about gym memberships and restaurants dear Astoria.

I have to agree here.  I'm surprised that this issue hasn't gotten much response.  It's a major change to the operating structure of the city, for crying out loud, and in my opinion, an unveiled attempt at a power grab by the Mayor (and some in the City Council, like our esteemed council speaker).

One of the defining features about politics in America is that politics on the local level actually has much more relevance to people's day-to-day lives than politics at the federal level (this as opposed to, say, a Parliamentary system, where power is generally more centralized).  This is not to say that national politics is irrelevant...recent events have proven once again that it isn't.  However, it is decisions made at the state and local level which usually affect our lives much more, and yet, it is those local and state issues that are largely ignored.

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Re: Third Term for City Council & Mayor
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 09:43:50 PM »
He was heavy handed, and surely didn't win any congeniality awards as Mayor.  But Rudy was good on many issues.  Crime rates, anyone?  Mayor Giuliani understood the link between people feeling safe and comfortable here and the willingness to live and do business here.

Guiliani was  the best Mayor the rotten Apple  ever had, and that's  why he was hated by the same characters who had made this city safe for criminals  and terrorists.  The Job of any leader is  not to make  'nice'  with people, but, to do a job.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2008, 10:26:28 PM »
Guiliani was  the best Mayor the rotten Apple  ever had, and that's  why he was hated by the same characters who had made this city safe for criminals  and terrorists.  The Job of any leader is  not to make  'nice'  with people, but, to do a job.

Ummm...Terrorists? Really? At least try to not mimic the McCain Campaign....
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