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Generally, I find the rules of Astorians to be:

Too Strict
17 (21.5%)
About Right
26 (32.9%)
Too Lax
3 (3.8%)
Too Difficult to Understand
16 (20.3%)
Easy Enough to Understand
14 (17.7%)
Too Easy - Use Bigger Words Please
3 (3.8%)

Total Members Voted: 57

Voting closed: June 20, 2008, 08:02:09 PM

Author Topic: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy  (Read 16203 times)

Offline megc

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2008, 04:49:34 PM »
Thoughts:

I like magicpie's 5-level up and down warning system.  I think it is a very cool idea.  Props to the donut.

Has is been considered to take a break from the nods, for maybe a month, to see how the community likes a nod-less time here?  I am fine with the nods, but I would be open to seeing what the board would be like without them.

Perhaps 100% transparency is something to try out as well.  All moderating is done within the thread, including the announcement of suspensions in the thread that contained the incident.  I know a community that also keeps a list of those who were moderated and for what, and has it posted in a specific part of the board.

"Report to moderator."  Some people want to do this anonymously. I don't see it as "tattling" - that word has too much baggage.  A different pov:  when I was a moderator, I didn't like getting PMs regarding something that needed moderation or what have you.  I much preferred when someone hit "RTM" so that it went to a place other than my inbox.

Could we call them "guidelines" rather than "rules"?  The 4 basic guidelines that I think are reasonable are:

No spam
No porn
No trolling
No personal attacks or ad hominem arguments
(respect Fair Use when posting articles/images, too)

Pretty simple.  The rule against bumping I just don't get.  Everyone bumps.  Every forum I've been in allows for bumping, so I was surprised to see a rule against it.

A way to communicate with the admin should be prominently displayed.

That's all I can think of right now.

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2008, 04:55:16 PM »
"Report to moderator."  Some people want to do this anonymously. I don't see it as "tattling" - that word has too much baggage.  A different pov:  when I was a moderator, I didn't like getting PMs regarding something that needed moderation or what have you.  I much preferred when someone hit "RTM" so that it went to a place other than my inbox.

Can you please clarify: Currently, on this board when you click "report to moderator," does it go into a general inbox as opposed to a specific moderator, and is the person reporting anonymous?

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2008, 05:11:47 PM »
Can you please clarify: Currently, on this board when you click "report to moderator," does it go into a general inbox as opposed to a specific moderator, and is the person reporting anonymous?

Edava - unfortunately, I can't remember if the message is anonymous.  I think the RTM message comes with the username attached, but not absolutely sure.  Ugh, my memory.

By anonymous, I meant reporting outside the thread, not bringing up an objection in the thread.  The reasons behind that could be numerous.  I will admit - I've used the feature when there were duplicate posts on some business ad. I think the person had posted to like 5 forums!  Hello spam.

If I remember correctly, RTM messages go elsewhere than your inbox, to a place where the mods can all read them.  I always found it to be streamlined for discussion's sake.  Also, as an admin myself covering a community with close to 20,000 posts a week, it's helpful when people RTM about porn, spam, trolling, and the like.  I can't read every post, so this helps. 

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2008, 07:50:44 PM »
Report to mod creates a new thread in a separate moderators board. The moderators can post in that thread to discuss any action to take place. In some cases there's no need for discussion (spam), other times there's more discussion about what's the best thing to do.

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2008, 08:37:20 PM »
Report to mod creates a new thread in a separate moderators board. The moderators can post in that thread to discuss any action to take place. In some cases there's no need for discussion (spam), other times there's more discussion about what's the best thing to do.
But does it also indicate person who reported the post to a moderator?
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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2008, 08:38:20 PM »
Yes, the "author" of the thread is the first person who reports it. And their comment is in the body of the post with a link to the thread.

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2008, 11:00:46 PM »
I do agree with some of the ideas suggested including:

The "warning level", it is a step-ladder that helps the moderators be on the same page when it comes to doing their job.  I also think that certain activities could have a certain warning level.  Smaller infractions would incur one demerit warning as a huge issue would result in two demerit levels.  After time of 'peace', they could be rewarded with a promerit to help them get their net warning back to 0.  Also, each user should be able to see a cumulative list of demerits and promerits (administrative actions) on his or her account.

We do need a bigger moderation team in place.  And with the expansion of this team, I also think that after a person has been warned (assuming the warning level is put into place), a flag would be a good idea so posters know the limits.  Maybe a thread and/or application should be created for people that are interested in becoming moderators.  I also like the idea of having moderators split among the sections of the board.  There should be, of course, more than one moderator per section.

As for the nods, I do agree with people's opinions of them changing the tone of the thread.  I have seen some boards such as city-data that includes a positive nod that leads to the posters "reputation".  Someone's reputation increases by the positive nods.  I do not like the negative nod feature AT ALL!!  Maybe, we could have simply a "useful?" nod that would increase a posters credibility to the forum.

Meg, you mentioned no spam, porn, trolling, personal attacks/ad hominems.  I do agree with these being the basic guidelines.  I do think that bumping could be considered a form of spam because it is like re-advertising.  To be honest, there are quite a few threads about businesses and restaurants that I do not read most likely because I am not interested in that specific establishment.  However, I am still made aware of a new business just by seeing the thread title appear in the unread posts.

Anyways, my .02 include the fact that I have enjoyed meeting many people from the board IRL and connecting faces to handles.  There are still many users that I keep in contact via phone/e-mail and it has been great!  Kudos to merm!

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2008, 11:35:13 PM »
As far as the nods go, I personally like them. People have used them differently, but I think for the most part, they have served kind of "yeah, I agree" or "no, I disagree" purpose. But, I do understand the people who are frustrated with them and who have said, "don't nod, add to the discussion."

Thing is, sometimes I don't have anything to add to the discussion. It's already been said. Someone posted that before the nods were here, people would just say "yes" or "I agree" and it would be frustrating to go to a thread only to basically see pages of people saying "yeah" or "I agree". This is why I like the nods.

Perhaps if there was some way that people could see who nodded either way, then people would think twice about just nodding and leaving the thread? Maybe make it so that there's an alt tag for each nod, so when you hover over it, it'll say "Alison, aquaceny, and NYCMacUser nodded yes, merm and mcdirk nodded no." or something similar. That way, people know who nodded either way, but we don't have pointless pages of "yeah, that's cool" or "nah, I'm not feeling it."

Also, warning levels like MagicPie suggested are good, and I'd totally nod that up.
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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2008, 12:35:40 AM »
Thing is, sometimes I don't have anything to add to the discussion. It's already been said. Someone posted that before the nods were here, people would just say "yes" or "I agree" and it would be frustrating to go to a thread only to basically see pages of people saying "yeah" or "I agree". This is why I like the nods.

I'm looking at posts from a couple years back, before the nods, and I'm not seeing a sea of "I agrees" at all. Looks pretty much how it does now, except none of the posts have nods on them and the discussions flow in a natural manner. That's not to say no one ever posted with just "I agree," but I don't see it being noticeably more or less than what it is currently. What's noticeable now is how many people make posts to remark about the sort of nods they got, which usually don't get responses because people don't want people to know how they nodded. So that strikes me as being more irritating than people just agreeing with stuff.

aquaecny, I don't think the reputation thing is a good idea. I think that would make this board feel like a popularity contest. And the "helpful" thing just really isn't necessary... I can see that being good on review sites that maybe sell or promote stuff, but this is just a discussion board.

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2008, 05:16:19 PM »
I'm changing my vote.  Oh... there was no vote?

I was pro nod (I nodded nods) b/c it gives an alt to those pesky "i agree" posts
but after reading all the reasons to be anti nod (neg nod nods) I'm changing camps.

I see a lot more negs around nods than pos.

Put me down as a neg towards nods (if there's a vote)

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2008, 05:57:29 PM »
The purpose of this thread really centers around the "rules" of the board (not that the discussion about nods is unwelcome by any means).

However, there will be more time to discuss nods over the next days and weeks, my primary focus right now is in soliciting feedback about the rules specifically, and then evaluating them again and making changes as necessary. Secondly, I think I'll need to consider how the rules are enforced and hopefully bring more clarity to this process as well. Those I think are the most pressing tasks.

The change/removal of nods (and other forum improvements or technical changes) I'm seeing as something that I'd like to address soon, but not before these other two issues.

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2008, 11:54:53 PM »
hey all,  I haven't been around so much lately (on the board, that is), but heard about these issues during my latest pop-ins and from a couple people IRL.  Reading through the this thread, it seems like people have come up with a lot of good solutions to some of the issues and the discussion is great to see.

MagicPie's suggestion of warning levels seems great to me, but I think that it should be specified that mods can choose to lower someone's warning level if they feel the issue has been addressed.

For instance,

X calls Y a big poopyhead.
Z reports this post.
Mod sets warning for X.
X PMs mod and says, "I'm so sorry!  I just got a little heated up in the middle of the convo!" 
Mod PMs X, "Please make that clear in the thread and apologize to Y."
X goes back to thread and posts, "I'm sorry.  I was out of line by calling Y a big poopyhead.  I should have been more adult about it and addressed the issues."
Warning level is dropped.

Or something like that.  I just think it's important that the poster's intent and contrition is taken into consideration.

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Re: Open Discussion of Board Rules and Policy
« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2008, 01:22:09 PM »
Good to be back on here.
Frankly, I could care less about the nod/reputation feature. I am on here to interact with local Astorians, shoot the sh*t and yes, engage in a little political squabbling every now and then.

My main gripe with the board as it stands is that I've been suspended 3 times without warning. The second time, I was grossly mis-quoted and had no recourse to defend myself. The third time, I was suspended while someone else got away scott-free with breaking the rules. I also thought that 30 days was overly harsh.
I'm glad I wasn't alone, and that other people saw the discrepancies going on. I'm glad it sparked a change in the moderation techniques, and hopefully will get things better here.

I really enjoy contributing to the community here and vice-versa, and I am glad that the mods finally started listening to people's complaints about these things.


 

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