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What do you think of the board's "nod" feature?

I like it.
I don't like it.
I don't really care for it, but I use it anyway for those times when I disagree but don't feel like posting about it.
I have no opinion on the matter.

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Offline essen

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Now that we've had the nod system in place for some time, I'm curious about what other people think of it. I personally think it serves no good purpose. It seems people either don't care about the nods, or they call out into the internet abyss when they get negative nods and don't understand why. Or they invite negative nods upon themselves when they feel like they've said something that may offend people (though often I have noticed this results in a positive nod count). Some people get negative nods just because some other people find them generally annoying and negative nod everything they post. It seems that all the nods do is give people a way to passively voice their opinion without actually voicing their opinion, which I feel doesn't add to a discussion in any way and sometimes even detracts from it.

And to make sure it's clear, I'm not posting this in order to try to get merm to get rid of the feature. I'm just interested in what others think of it since I find the feature so strange. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong category but I wasn't sure where else it would fit.

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 12:44:30 AM »
I think the problem with the nods is that many people just negative nod rather than engaging someone in discussion. This doesn't matter so much in random gabble or the like, but in a restaurants or politics thread it seems like people don't even post anymore, just nod.

But I've been pretty candid about my belief that the board has a problem with everyone agreeing and I think that the nods encourage that.

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 01:08:19 AM »
I consider the nod feature to be worthwhile because it provides an alternative to  messages that say nothing but "yeah, you rock" or "yeah, well, you suck." I try not to take any (-) ones personally. (The (+) ones, of course, are well deserved.)

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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008, 08:09:19 AM »
I could care less about the nods.  I don't feel any better or worse if I get nodded for my posts.  Granted, in the beginning I did.  However, as I got more comfortable with the board and posted more often, especially about controversial topics, I realized that I couldn't take the nods personal.  Besides, my job is contentious enough without having to worry about who doesn't like me in cyber-world. 

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 08:18:31 AM »
I think the positive nods serve a useful purpose, but that the negative nods are sometimes disruptive.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 09:37:07 AM »
I think the positive nods serve a useful purpose, but that the negative nods are sometimes disruptive.

I think I agree with you. A positive one is saying that someone agrees, but with negative ones, you don't really know what they disagree with or why and that inhibits discussion.

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2008, 09:55:40 AM »
I think the positive nods serve a useful purpose, but that the negative nods are sometimes disruptive.

I just gave you a positive nod for saying something useful!

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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2008, 10:49:49 AM »
I like them, and I don't think that every time you disagree with someone you need to make a declaration about it...sometimes the disagreements warrant discussion, but sometimes it is very clearcut and a neg nod suffices...not as malicious, but rather as a disagreement.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2008, 11:05:25 AM »
I think the nods are generally silly.  It is a blunt instrument and fairly has no meaning.  People negative nod when, for example, someone describes a bad experience in a restaurant but then writes a comment agreeing with the OP.  In this case the person is negative nodding the bad experience the OP had in the restaurant.  In other words neg nodding the restaurant.  Of course this doesn't really make sense when the neg nod in most cases is directed toward the poster.  And many, many times their is no reasonable explanation for a nod (negative or positive).  It is just silly.  (now don't get me started on the emoticons).

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2008, 11:47:53 AM »
I think the positive and negative nods should be abolished and replaced by two new nods: a neutral nod and an "I wish I was eating steamed crabs outdoors on some kind of deck right now" nod.
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2008, 12:41:55 PM »
I think the positive and negative nods should be abolished and replaced by two new nods: a neutral nod and an "I wish I was eating steamed crabs outdoors on some kind of deck right now" nod.

I would totally click the second.

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2008, 07:33:13 PM »
I have to say that I like them and that I think that they add value to threads. For me it helps to show how more people feel - because even if some people were to reply "yeah I agree" not everyone will, whereas it seems that more people would simply click on the positive nod. Lurkers, who would rather not post, have the chance to offer their dis/agreement without having to actually step into the conversation if they are not comfortable doing so.

I'll agree that not everyone uses the feature in a constructive or mature way, but I have to admit that when I am on other discussion boards I find myself looking for those little buttons to click on. I'll also say that I am at heart a shy and quiet person, so perhaps that's one reason why I like it so much - it allows me be quiet yet still offer my opinion.
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Offline essen

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2008, 09:17:44 PM »
pineapple, you hit the nail on the head for me. Sure, the nods mean something for the people who use them, but how are the people who receive them or the people reading the threads supposed to interpret the nod count? Especially since you don't have any indication of how many people responded in that manner.

bstewart, I would also rather have someone nodding than have a new post saying "I agree," but we didn't have a whole lot of "I agree" posts before the nod thing was started. As for posts that might've said "yeah, well, you suck," those wouldn't be allowed anyway. So the nods then allow people to anonymously vote that a person sucks, and it's pretty obvious when negative nods are more about the person who posted the message than the message itself. This is mostly what bugs me about the nods. Well that and when people wig out when they get negative nods.

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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2008, 11:55:20 PM »
I'm really not into the nods, and I often bump up a person's negative nod when there's no explanation of why it was done, and especially when all the person was doing was expressing their opinion on something trivial as what songs they like to listen to.  I said this once, and it triggered an entire new thread on the topic of why nods were the greatest thing around.  It took on a life of it's own, and I was stuck defending myself and feeling stupid and then just annoyed that anyone cared if I upped a nod.  I'm wasn't the only one who disliked them, but I realized I have better things to do than waste my thoughts on dealing with them (nods), so I moved on.  Which is what I do now with most posts that get touchy, as in politics, religion, etc.  I have other things to do.  Life is short, and who really cares about such trivialities as nods?  Moving on....

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Re: the nods
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2008, 12:09:30 AM »
Two ideas:
(1) Monetize the nods, like Facebook would: charge people a dollar to nod someone.
(2) replace them with maybe cookies and kisses.

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2008, 12:25:18 AM »
I would recommend this to merm:

Keep the positive nod, because it is awesome to agree.  Delete the negative nod, because if you disagree with something, say so and give your reasons!

Offline MagicPie

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Re: the nods
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2008, 01:21:31 AM »
^^ I disagree (so I neg nodded you).  If we only post to disagree with someone, we'll have such a negative-feeling board. 

I personally like the nods, although I don't use them very often.  I like being able to agree or disagree without having to explain myself every dang time. 

(Positive nod this post!  It'll make my day!)

Offline essen

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Re: the nods
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2008, 01:59:52 AM »
I like being able to agree or disagree without having to explain myself every dang time. 

But if you're the only one who knows that you agreed or disagreed, and all that's known about your opinion is that you either agreed or disagreed with some unnamed part of the posting, what does the nod accomplish? I mean, why not just think to yourself "I agree with this" or "I do not agree with this" if you don't feel like explaining it? Essentially that's what it becomes when you nod something and some other anonymous person nods it the other way. It is like a tree falling in a forest with no one around to hear.
Oh and I enjoy these "nod battles," where people positive nod someone only to refute a negative nod, but not because they really agree with anything in the post. :-D

Offline MagicPie

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Re: the nods
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 09:59:43 AM »
Well, if you don't like the nodding, it's easy enough not to nod someone and ignore the function altogether, isn't it?  What's the point of arguing about it?  It's like arguing about whether or not the color blue is better than the color green.  (That's a bad example because green is so much better than blue.)

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 03:25:09 PM »
I'm more likely to minus-nod someone I've never met in real life vs. someone I only know electronically.  The threshold for a minus-nod seems to be much lower.  However, I'm not less likely to plus-nod someone I've never met.
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2008, 03:36:11 PM »
green IS better than blue.

And I am not  not-licking  toads.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 04:41:11 PM »
I much prefer blue, but I think the donut is right on the money with regard to the nods.  Nods mean simply an opinion.  I got three neg nods from my opinionated diatribe on women putting on makeup in the subway.  ROCK ON. 

Not taking the nods so seriously is rather freeing, actually.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2008, 04:50:13 PM »
I much prefer blue

I neg-nodded you for that! 

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2008, 04:52:34 PM »
I neg-nodded you for that! 

DAMMIT!!!  :D

I do like green - honest!  :mrgreen:
(but I like blue better, wheee!!!!)

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2008, 07:00:59 PM »
Well, if you don't like the nodding, it's easy enough not to nod someone and ignore the function altogether, isn't it?  What's the point of arguing about it?  It's like arguing about whether or not the color blue is better than the color green.  (That's a bad example because green is so much better than blue.)

This position is so typical of all googly eyed donuts.  Green vs blue, green vs blue.  No one ever mentions yellow!  When will yellow get the recognition it deserves after many generations serving this country?

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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2008, 05:43:41 PM »
There are many arguments on why to keep the nods systems. But here is the best one:


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Quote from: Billz1981 on March 26, 2008, 01:39:51 PM
I think I am one of them.  Almost everything I say, no matter how concilliatory in tone, gets at least one neg nod.  I wonder if I have picked up a "fan" or if someone has a disagreement with my arguments that they don't want to bother to voice.


As case in point, see the above posting, thumbed down.  To whoever you are, I'd like to challenge you to a duel.   

If you use it properly, Billz will challenge you to a duel.

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2008, 06:17:37 PM »
Well, if you don't like the nodding, it's easy enough not to nod someone and ignore the function altogether, isn't it?  What's the point of arguing about it?

What's the point of arguing about most things here? It's just something I felt like talking about. I don't know why some people think that just because there's a thread about something means that person is taking it super-seriously.

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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2008, 10:59:09 PM »
So, no duel?

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2008, 03:11:57 PM »
So, no duel?

I can't believe that I missed this thread!  Sweeper, thanks for pointing out my innovative system of coping with negative nods.  Was it you who suggested pies in the face at 10 paces?  MagicPie, are you challenging me to a duel?

On a serious note, I think the nods are silly because they don't add much value to the conversation.  Maybe in a warm, fuzzy convo, it's nice to get thumbs up.  But in a discussion of politics, I know that most people here are going to disagree with me.  It is not as though I am going to see the thumbs down and rethink my views on that basis.  I already know that people disagree with me and would much rather discuss the ideas behind the disagreement. 

So to me, the thumbs are the cyber version of a little kid behind me in a movie theatre kicking my chair.

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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2008, 03:27:27 PM »
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Sweeper, thanks for pointing out my innovative system of coping with negative nods.  Was it you who suggested pies in the face at 10 paces?

No, I believe that was odenhal. I must fess up to being the instigator though.

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i get neg noded alot, i really dont care tho, so if it makes you feel good then go for it
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I think the problem with the nods is that many people just negative nod rather than engaging someone in discussion. This doesn't matter so much in random gabble or the like, but in a restaurants or politics thread it seems like people don't even post anymore, just nod.

But I've been pretty candid about my belief that the board has a problem with everyone agreeing and I think that the nods encourage that.

I agree with para's point that nodding is not conversing.

merm, I think the nod feature is a mistake because even if it's a way to express an opinion, it's a very lazy way to communicate.  But mostly I don't like the nods because they're very much like High School or College where people are in cliques.  The nods seem cliquish to me.  Sometimes they make me laugh because a post can make perfect sense and get neg nods.  Like para's post that I'm quoting.  2 neg nods?  Why?  It's just silly.  Which is why getting either + or - nods has no significance to me. 

And para, as to the second part of your post: the problem of everyone agreeing -- well I disagree.  :-)


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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2008, 06:51:32 PM »
I'm nodding off just reading this thread.


neg nod, pos nod, neg nod, pos nod. Yes while I agree that the nods can be tiresome and annoying, I'm sure that there are many members who participate only this manner. After all, we have a couple of hundred regular posters, yet we have over 3000  registered users. So, what I guess that I'm trying to say is, don't always assume that the nods you got, whether they be negative or positive, were put there by members that you know.
 
OT--I'd be curious to see the stats for how many registered members are just lurkers and how many are "contributing" members.--OT

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I'm nodding off just reading this thread.

neg nod, pos nod, neg nod, pos nod. Yes while I agree that the nods can be tiresome and annoying, I'm sure that there are many members who participate only this manner. After all, we have a couple of hundred regular posters, yet we have over 3000  registered users. So, what I guess that I'm trying to say is, don't always assume that the nods you got, whether they be negative or positive, were put there by members that you know.
 
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SOOOOOO, your comment is interesting because I don't think the "non-posting masses" are using the Nods to express themselves.  I think it's the people doing all the posting who then go back to read the newest post and THEY are nodding their pleasure or displeasure.  See I've just nodded you that's how come I know what I say is true.  :-)

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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2008, 01:05:18 AM »
Yes while I agree that the nods can be tiresome and annoying, I'm sure that there are many members who participate only this manner.

I doubt many of those 3000 members are communicating solely via nod, but whether they are or not, why would that be a good thing? This is all the nods can possibly communicate:

Positive Nod: I like you OR I like what you just said there OR I generally like the things you say
Negative Nod: I don't like you OR I dislike like what you just said there OR I generally dislike the things you say

One could argue that a person could get a general idea of how many people like/dislike his or her ideas, but this isn't even true since all you get is a "net" count and not a total of how many people voted positive and negative (which is not something I'm suggesting!). You could have 1000 people agreeing with you and 1001 disagreeing, and all you'd see is -1, same as if one person negative nodded you and nobody else cared enough to nod either way.

I can sort of understand why people feel like they've managed to communicate something by nodding a post, but what does it really add to the board aside from attaching a meaningless poll to every post whether the poster wants it or not?

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2008, 10:48:34 AM »
I doubt many of those 3000 members are communicating solely via nod, but whether they are or not, why would that be a good thing?

I never said it was a good thing, and I never said that I actually liked the nods feature.
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I can sort of understand why people feel like they've managed to communicate something by nodding a post, but what does it really add to the board aside from attaching a meaningless poll to every post whether the poster wants it or not?

I view it sort of like the was this comment/review helpful feature on many product review / other message boards.  It is a way of communicating if you agree/disagree with a post without having to write I totally agree again and again.  I rather like it.  If you think it's meaningless, then why worry if you get neg nodded too much.
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I view it sort of like the was this comment/review helpful feature on many product review / other message boards.  It is a way of communicating if you agree/disagree with a post without having to write I totally agree again and again.  I rather like it.  If you think it's meaningless, then why worry if you get neg nodded too much.

Well, because I don't think it's meaningless. I think lots of nods one way or the other on posts changes the tonality of the "thread" and the discussion, thusly altering what one would or would not post.

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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2008, 02:28:17 PM »
I view it sort of like the was this comment/review helpful feature on many product review / other message boards.  It is a way of communicating if you agree/disagree with a post without having to write I totally agree again and again.  I rather like it.  If you think it's meaningless, then why worry if you get neg nodded too much.

I don't "worry" if I get neg nodded too much. Sometimes it's curious, though, why I've gotten nods a particular way if no one's expressed disagreement. There was one thread where I asked if authors get any sort of payment/royalties for having their books in libraries, and I got two negative nods. I asked the great beyond what the negative nods meant since it was just a question, and no one answered. Did the nods mean "No, they do not get royalties"? Did they mean "You are stupid for even asking that question"? Eventually I got enough positive nods to bring me into positive nod territory, so then my post asking about why I got negative nods made no sense and resulted in confusion.

And paratactical's right; it does change the tone of a thread. By saying they're meaningless I meant they don't express anything aside from blunt positivity and negativity, which is not an effective way of communicating.

As for not having to write I totally agree again and again, why would you have to do that if the nods aren't there? Can't people just not post if all they were going to write is "I agree"?


 

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