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DADT
« on: September 21, 2010, 10:23:47 PM »
I hope you don't mind if I take some time to write about this issue. Right now, I am very sad and need to put these words down somewhere on the internet. I'm not sure why....it just feels right.

I served my country for 7 years. When I first signed up in 1984, I came across the question on my application asking if I had ever engaged in homosexual activity. I answered no. Even though I knew then it was a lie. The reason why is this....I was escaping from my home. I didn't know what to expect....but I knew I wanted to get away. And I wasn't going to let that question get in my way of leaving home. I had to get away.

During my time in the Army, I always had that hanging on my neck. And a few times, when I forgot about that albatross, I let the cat out of the bag. And it resulted in situations that were difficult.

The thing is, for me, I was happy to be in the Army. I have so many great memories that live with me to this day. I worked my as off and enjoyed it.

And also, from the depths of my soul, the Army gave me the foundation to be a man. It gave me structure.....it gave me strength. I am who I am today because of the Army. I have been in a supervisory role with Barnes and Noble since the day I got out of the Army and got a civilian job because of the Army. I could not have done it without them.

But now I must tell you of a moment that caused me much pain. One night, I got really drunk and.....well, you can guess. Word got out and a few weeks later, I was having lunch in the mess hall when I overheard two guys talking about kicking my ass because I was gay. This is not something I wanted or planned.

 I never ate in that mess hall again for two years. I ate at the PX diner.

I have never thought of repealing DADT as allowing orgies in the showers. For me it is this, Giving the soldiers, such as me, the guidelines to be all we can be....and no that is not silly to me. I had a great experiance. But, I did not have the guidelines to make it work. Gay people do not go into the Army to have sex. We do it for many reasons. Pride in our country or lack of a job or whatever.

I know this is difficult in some ways. But for me it is this......

Laying out the rules to allow me to do my job. Maybe I would have met a fellow soldier and we woud have fallen in love with each other. But we would have been able to do our job.....because we knew the rules. I think today about a video on youtube of a gay couple getting married and everyone in the Regiment being there.....crossed swords as they walked down the aisle.....In Great Britain.

Yeah, I get that some see it as wierd.

But today, as the Senate voted.....

I felt like a non human.

I served my country....

For seven years.

With honor.

My being gay.......

If the Army had have given me the guidelines, it would have been so different.....instead, I felt different. And I don,t think I should have been forced to.

I am gay...but I am an American. And I was a soldier in the Army. For seven years. And I am proud of that. I am so effing proud of that. More than you can ever know.

« Last Edit: September 21, 2010, 10:34:40 PM by kempsternyc »
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Re: DADT
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 11:14:12 PM »
"". Maybe I would have met a fellow soldier and we woud have fallen in love with each other. But""

That's one thing they don't want.  It's the military, and in combat that can be a problem. Also straight guys don't want to sleep in close quarters with gay guys.   It would cause so many problems, just to satisfy one group.  You were there7 years, it could not have been that bad, you are well, and fine, and living your life happily. 

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Re: DADT
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 11:16:14 PM »
""""In Delaware, There is one who considers my masturbation a sin. As I think of hairy sweaty balls.....while watching porn......jerking off to porn.

Oh you poor child..... you want to be a Senator based on a study  of my masturbation habits......

That is your platform?

Well, I guess it is time to put in my disc of hairy ass men.....and watch them stroke and slam each other as I watch you lose an election while I masterbate. """


Kempster, this is what you said few days ago on here. It would not go over well in barracks. 





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Re: DADT
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 01:08:53 AM »
""""In Delaware, There is one who considers my masturbation a sin. As I think of hairy sweaty balls.....while watching porn......jerking off to porn.

Oh you poor child..... you want to be a Senator based on a study  of my masturbation habits......

That is your platform?

Well, I guess it is time to put in my disc of hairy ass men.....and watch them stroke and slam each other as I watch you lose an election while I masterbate. """


Kempster, this is what you said few days ago on here. It would not go over well in barracks. 






I was joking a few days ago.....tonight i wasn't....tonight this was from the depth of my soul.....didn't you get that?????
« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 01:13:54 AM by kempsternyc »
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 01:10:31 AM »
"". Maybe I would have met a fellow soldier and we woud have fallen in love with each other. But""

That's one thing they don't want.  It's the military, and in combat that can be a problem. Also straight guys don't want to sleep in close quarters with gay guys.   It would cause so many problems, just to satisfy one group.  You were there7 years, it could not have been that bad, you are well, and fine, and living your life happily. 

How do you know what they don't want?
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Re: DADT
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 09:46:31 AM »
As a fellow army vet, ODENHAL will say this, i do not care about someones sexual preference, now maybe the fact that ODENHAL was born and raised in N.Y.C.  had made ODENHAL more tolerant towards that than someone that was raised in lets say......Iowa...probably true. but in my basic training unit C-6-2 T.R.A.D.O.C  at FT Jackson , we had 2 gay privates in my platoon, and none of us gave a s%*t,

if you are willing to serve, ready to put your life on the line,ODENHALwill have no problem serving with you next to me

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Re: DADT
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 05:58:29 PM »
""""In Delaware, There is one who considers my masturbation a sin. As I think of hairy sweaty balls.....while watching porn......jerking off to porn.

Oh you poor child..... you want to be a Senator based on a study  of my masturbation habits......

That is your platform?

Well, I guess it is time to put in my disc of hairy ass men.....and watch them stroke and slam each other as I watch you lose an election while I masterbate. """


Kempster, this is what you said few days ago on here. It would not go over well in barracks. 







What the f___!

That is a straight-out out-of-context attack on another poster.

Shame on you!

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Re: DADT
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 09:40:48 PM »
""""In Delaware, There is one who considers my masturbation a sin. As I think of hairy sweaty balls.....while watching porn......jerking off to porn.

Oh you poor child..... you want to be a Senator based on a study  of my masturbation habits......

That is your platform?

Well, I guess it is time to put in my disc of hairy ass men.....and watch them stroke and slam each other as I watch you lose an election while I masterbate. """


Kempster, this is what you said few days ago on here. It would not go over well in barracks. 



Personally I think he would have been the belle of the ball but Mer is right...totally out of context.  Get it together!  *Z snap-salute*

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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 10:23:14 PM »

What the f___!

That is a straight-out out-of-context attack on another poster.

Shame on you!

No, shame on you for exxagerating. I did not attack him, Hell, I didn't even neg nod him.  I put up what he posted, and said, rightfully, that things like that won't  go over well at all.  You're just looking to jump on bandwagon here, so screw you.  It's also second time you have thrown insults my way on somehting you disagree with.   So ashame on you, fool.

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 10:42:55 PM »
Personally I think he would have been the belle of the ball but Mer is right...totally out of context.  Get it together!  *Z snap-salute*

I got it together fine. 

'Belle of the Ball"     is not something army needs.  I also don't see Kemp as Belle of ball type.   

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 10:47:47 PM »
I got it together fine. 

'Belle of the Ball"     is not something army needs.  I also don't see Kemp as Belle of ball type.   

Whether it's the Belle of the Ball or Rambo, if anyone breathing is willing to serve this country and put their life at risk then it's definitely something the army and this country needs.  I'll deal with the rest of your commentary in PM.
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Re: DADT
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 11:12:26 PM »
Whether it's the Belle of the Ball or Rambo, if anyone breathing is willing to serve this country and put their life at risk then it's definitely something the army and this country needs.  I'll deal with the rest of your commentary in PM.

Majority of soldiers are against it.   I have friends and aquantices in military or recently out, and all are against it.    Most countries around world are agaisnt it, amny more sever than us.   They can serve, and they have.  However if they want to be out in army it won't work,  and will lead to problems. I  don't think it is even about that, I believe it's  homosexuals wanting their way.   

How about an all gay branch of military?    How many would actually join?  Most people, myself included, don't want any part of army, marines, or whatever. 


If don't ask don't tell was revoked, do you actually think thousands of gay people were showing up tomorrow to join??? 

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 11:38:28 PM »
Majority of soldiers are against it.   I have friends and aquantices in military or recently out, and all are against it.    Most countries around world are agaisnt it, amny more sever than us.   They can serve, and they have.  However if they want to be out in army it won't work,  and will lead to problems. I  don't think it is even about that, I believe it's  homosexuals wanting their way.   

How about an all gay branch of military?    How many would actually join?  Most people, myself included, don't want any part of army, marines, or whatever. 


If don't ask don't tell was revoked, do you actually think thousands of gay people were showing up tomorrow to join??? 
You make it sound like if gays were openly admitted to the military they would think it was OK to put on a production of Ru Paul's Drag Race while missiles were flying overhead or that they would be coming on to all the straight guys (and girls) with a reckless abandon.  I'm sure there are thousands of gay men and women who have served in the military without anyone suspecting they were gay.  Even if they were the most flamboyant queen on the planet what you are not recognizing is that they can be and are professional, dedicated and courageous military personnel.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 11:47:50 PM »
Majority of soldiers are against it.   I have friends and aquantices in military or recently out, and all are against it.    Most countries around world are agaisnt it, amny more sever than us.   They can serve, and they have.  However if they want to be out in army it won't work,  and will lead to problems. I  don't think it is even about that, I believe it's  homosexuals wanting their way.   

How about an all gay branch of military?    How many would actually join?  Most people, myself included, don't want any part of army, marines, or whatever. 


If don't ask don't tell was revoked, do you actually think thousands of gay people were showing up tomorrow to join??? 

I point out this poll taken of Vets from the Iraq and Afghan wars.
http://www.vetvoicefoundation.com/new?id=0002

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An overwhelming majority of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans say it is personally acceptable to them if gay and lesbian people were allowed to serve openly in the military. Seven in ten (73%) say it is acceptable, including 42% who say it would be acceptable and 31% who would find it acceptable even though they would not like it. Only a quarter (25%) would find it unacceptable. Generational differences exist here as well, but they are not as dramatic as conventional wisdom might indicate. Forty-seven percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans under age 35 find it acceptable and would like the policy change and another 30% find it acceptable and do not like it, for a total of 77% who find it personally acceptable if gay and lesbian people were allowed to serve openly in the military. Seventy percent of veterans over age 35 would find it acceptable and only a quarter would find it unacceptable (26%).


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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2010, 11:49:08 PM »
No, I don't think that. You assume wrongly that I do.  The problem would be men, or women, who are stright, having to share close quarters and showers with people who may take unwanted liking to them.   If we put a bunch of straight men and women of age 18-25 in same showers every day, guess what??    That's why they are kept seperate.

Also, like it or not, many peole don't want gays around them at all--not me, but that's way it is.   Main two types in army are southerners and ghetto types, and many, believe it or not, are going to be very 'Gay friendly."    

We need military. If many refuse to join due to having to serve with gays, military will take a hit.   As for flambouyant RuPauls,  you said it, not me.  I don't see that going over too well at all.  I'd even get pissed off at that.      


 

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