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GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« on: June 08, 2009, 05:24:29 PM »
Takes a majority and ousts Malcolm Smith as Senate Majority Leader.

http://wcbstv.com/local/malcolm.smith.senate.2.1036194.html

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The flip of senators Pedro Espada Jr. of the Bronx and Hiram Monserrate of Queens gives Republicans a 32-30 edge in the chamber.

So much for the possibility of marriage equality this year...  :cry:




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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 05:37:15 PM »
Takes a majority and ousts Malcolm Smith as Senate Majority Leader.

Good grief. New York and California need to secede and create the United States of Disfunctional Governments.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 05:59:13 PM »
It seems the issue Republicans are most passionate about is relinquishing power, whether in NY State or Washington DC.  Albany politics have never been about what is best for the people of NY State.  I gave up trying to understand it long ago. :-(

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 06:15:40 PM »
I spent many a year living in third world countries. I am pretty comfortable now.
But any of you who stick to the party line (how does a scumbag like Monserrate get elected?) have only yourselves to blame.

And to the OP, the single minded focus on a signature issue is truly the pathway to damnation. Being more worried about same sex marriage than the financial well being of the state is just another symptom.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 08:31:10 PM »
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And to the OP, the single minded focus on a signature issue is truly the pathway to damnation. Being more worried about same sex marriage than the financial well being of the state is just another symptom.

Thanks. I'll remember that if my partner is ever in a hospital and I can't go see her. But hey, it's all about the financial well-being of the state. Perhaps if the state of NY told you that your relationship was unworthy of recognition and saw no problem with trampling on your civil rights you'd think otherwise.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 08:59:08 PM »
Thanks. I'll remember that if my partner is ever in a hospital and I can't go see her. But hey, it's all about the financial well-being of the state. Perhaps if the state of NY told you that your relationship was unworthy of recognition and saw no problem with trampling on your civil rights you'd think otherwise.

Quite Frankly, I don't give a s___ about what the state of New York has to say about my personal relationships. What it can do is bankrupt me through confiscatory practices.  Enjoy your state sanctioned relationship in the coming workers paradise.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 10:44:37 PM »
Quite Frankly, I don't give a s___ about what the state of New York has to say about my personal relationships. What it can do is bankrupt me through confiscatory practices.  Enjoy your state sanctioned relationship in the coming workers paradise.

I think you would give a s___ about it if the state of New York told you that you could not marry the person you love, share benefits or see each other in hospitals if god forbid one of you got sick. I am not saying I would solely vote on this issue alone-but surely you can see how this single issue would be a bigger priority for so many.
You are talking as if one party is hellbent on bankrupting you-I don't think either party wants any more than the financial prosperity of all Americans. Riding the party line goes both ways, and I think accusing one side of "bankrupting you through confiscatory practices" seems like riding a singular party line issue to me.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 11:09:24 PM »
Outrageous.  Should be interesting to see if they hold on.  It certainly sends a strong message that awful people should not be elected to office - it's certainly time for Monseratte and Espada to go. 

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 03:43:50 AM »
Should be interesting to see if they hold on.  It certainly sends a strong message that awful people should not be elected to office - it's certainly time for Monseratte and Espada to go. 
The real question is how did a scumbag like Monseratte get elected in the first place and why hasn't there yet been an investigation of Espada's legal residence!
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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 06:45:30 AM »
Monserrate has been troubled for years - lots of scandal around him.  He is a good organizer and has a strong political operation, though I think his days are numbered now.  Once he committed the assault, I think it became only a matter of time before he is off to jail.

Espada was a crook the first time he was elected and he is a crook this time too.  He got ousted from office last time he pulled this exact stunt, though then it was just buttressing the Republican majority.  He does not appear to live in the Bronx and only won because he has high name recognition and was well funded.  He was also up against another crook - so either way voters lost.

They were both lousy Democrts and should have been in jail even when they were caucusing with the Democrats.  Hopefully justice catches up with them both.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 07:03:09 AM »
Quite Frankly, I don't give a s___ about what the state of New York has to say about my personal relationships. What it can do is bankrupt me through confiscatory practices.  Enjoy your state sanctioned relationship in the coming workers paradise.

Really? You’re a father, would you give a s___ if the State of New York had something to say about your personal relationship to your child? Easy to say ‘single-minded’ when the laws work in your favor.


Anyway, this is really isn’t about gay marriage – it’s a giant pissing match between the boys to see who can control all the marbles. Reform? Taxes? It’s a joke because neither seems to tackled whichever party controls the legislature.  It’s all about who gets to make the secret deals.

Whatever, it’s disgusting. I generally hold the position that paying taxes is a duty and the price of living in a civilized society and I generally don’t have a problem with city taxes and federal taxes, but I have to say, The New York State government is a waste of money and everyone involved with it a joke.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2009, 10:13:49 AM »
Monserrate has been troubled for years - lots of scandal around him.  He is a good organizer and has a strong political operation, though I think his days are numbered now.  Once he committed the assault, I think it became only a matter of time before he is off to jail.

Espada was a crook the first time he was elected and he is a crook this time too.  He got ousted from office last time he pulled this exact stunt, though then it was just buttressing the Republican majority.  He does not appear to live in the Bronx and only won because he has high name recognition and was well funded.  He was also up against another crook - so either way voters lost.

They were both lousy Democrts and should have been in jail even when they were caucusing with the Democrats.  Hopefully justice catches up with them both.

Monserrate's next court date is July 2. I would suspect nothing will happen in court that day -- day before a holiday weekend. Odds are he'll never see jail time. The girlfriend doesn't want to cooperate, so the DA's office will likely offer a plea deal down to a violation (probably Disorderly Conduct) and he'll walk away with a fine.

Espada is a total scumbag. I was reading up on him last night and, yes, while he supports marriage equality, he's got his hands so dirty in a variety of financial matters that it's only a matter of time before he's indicted for something. My understanding is that into late May he still hadn't filed his campaign finance reports and that he had, at one point, been accused of illegally using campaign funds towards the legal fees of two of his lackeys who appear to have taken the fall for him when he directed funding for his health clinic towards his campaign.

I don't know, but if I'm a Dem senator on shakey ground in this political climate, I don't make enemies in my own party because I'll need their support when the sh*t hits the fan.

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Re: GOP stages a coup in NY State Senate
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 01:36:23 PM »
It never fails, no matter what party anyone is in, when they switch, the side he was on who praised them for  years, now  say  they were lousy 'bums' all along?  :lol:  I think the term 'coup'  is misplaced. The truth is  one can't tell the difference that much in Albany between the parties  for  years. 


 

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